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Posted At : July 12, 2009 10:02 PM | Posted By : J Scott
Related Categories: Comments,Ethics

Okay, I can’t delay any longer in responding to the many comments about my July 6th blog entry.

I wish I had stuck to my report on the Hard Rock pool party and not mentioned rape because it did not clearly or accurately reflect my real feelings and beliefs. I am sincerely sympathetic to rape victims. I know rape is usually a crime of violence and power, not a sexual one, and the victim is not to blamed for any reason.  

However, I feel there a type of sexual encounter, especially among young people, where the female is giving out all sorts of “Yes” messages by her actions right up to a certain “hot” point that the male can’t pull back when she suddenly says, “No.” Is that rape or consensual sex? Or, is there something in-between? 

I appreciated everyone’s input, no matter what the views were. It was pointed out that many of the girls at the Hard Rock pool party are “professional” girls, many who work at strip clubs in the city, and their reputations weren’t at stake. Some pointed out that every generation has shocked their elders - and that there were ambulances at Woodstock. In fact, my sister gently reminded me that all of us have sowed some wild oats and that some of my actions when I was younger would have shocked our parents if they had known about them!  Then there was one very smart wag, trying to get on the good side of me, that tried to convince me that the Rehab pool party was really a frugal option for him. So much free merchandise that one didn’t need to go and pay at the Chicken Ranch.  

There was much discussion about risk and blame. I liked this one from a poster on vpFREE: Consider these other scenarios - you walk down the street by yourself in a bad part of the city flashing a lot of expensive jewelry.  If somebody robs you, people would certainly say you were asking for it.  Does it mean that it was OK for the person to rob you?  Of course not - it is morally and legally wrong.  But do you deserve some of the blame?  I think so.  Would you park somewhere, leave your windows down and your purse on the front seat?  If you did and the purse was gone when you came back, would you deserve some of the blame?  Again, it doesn't excuse the criminal action at all - whether it's rape (which granted is much more personal and traumatic than many other crimes) or any other violation, the person committing the act is undeniably wrong.  But there are things that we all do to try to decrease the chances of something bad happening to us.   

Ah, so many viewpoints about the same subject. 

I think it might reveal more accurately some of my true feelings if I give you here the advice I would give my beautiful 15-year-old granddaughter: 

1.  Don’t dress in a way that will flaunt your body. You want to attract a boy who is drawn to your charming personality as well as your beautiful body. 

2.  Don’t put yourself in risky situations. Don’t go alone to a hotel room or an apartment with someone you don’t know well. This is no time to be naïve! 

3.  Be very careful about drinks at a party. It is a popular “trick” to add the “date rape” drug. Choose sealed bottles or cans and guard them while you drink. 

4.  Remember that boys have all sorts of lines to get a girl to go to bed with them. Don’t fall for them, even if they include the word “love.” 

5.  Don’t lead a boy on, with encouraging sexy actions for so long, that when you want to say “No,” he will find it difficult or impossible to accept that “No.”  (And I will give your teenage brother the same advice – stop before your girl’s “Yes’s” become so tempting that you will not be able to control your actions if she suddenly says “No!”)

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Starr Piercy's Gravatar This is a good and thoughtful blog, and I appreciate it very much.
# Posted By Starr Piercy | 7/12/09 10:39 PM
EDC's Gravatar Jean, I applaud your comments and can't agree enough. My 14 yr. old daughter has opinions of her own and as parents, can only suggest and guide her. Ultimately, she's responsible for her own actions. a woman can protect herself by dressing less "slutty" and still be attractive. Again, it's your body and you control your own destiny. Nobody can say "you asked for it" but you can attract a lot less of the wrong element to your self.
# Posted By EDC | 7/12/09 10:43 PM
Rob Massa's Gravatar God Bless Ya Jean! I can only hope to pass on such wise advise to my 12 year old daughter!
# Posted By Rob Massa | 7/13/09 12:06 AM
Jerry McEwen's Gravatar Right on, Jean! Wish there were more people like you in this world. My wife and I have often remarked that, "You can't recognize the hookers anymore, since so many girls dress like one these days." I don't expect that we will have any effect in changing this, so we might as well have fun with it. Like one of your commentors, I plan to start asking, "How much do you charge?"
# Posted By Jerry McEwen | 7/13/09 9:40 AM
Tracy Cannon's Gravatar All very valid points. I have a 13-yr-old son and we discuss this issue at every opportunity. I want him to grow into a gentleman who shows respect for women and will be able to have a meaningful relationship. As parents, and grandparents, we must be diligent and counteract the negative messages bombarding our youth.
# Posted By Tracy Cannon | 7/13/09 12:48 PM
Bob Allen's Gravatar Jean,

Your first column on this subject and the clarifications since have served to put this into perspective for a lot of parents out there, both parents of girls and boys. Both genders have responsibilities in any relationship.

What you have done, whether intentional or not, is to bring this out in the open and stimulate discussion between parents and their children (or grandchildren). This is a good thing and good things never die.

Your stand is to be applauded with a standing ovation and I hope you take it that way. It is but one more in the many reasons I am proud to subscribe to your blog.

Commonsense just doesn't seem to be so common anymore.

Thanks Jean.
# Posted By Bob Allen | 7/13/09 2:56 PM
TFW's Gravatar Actually I find it less offensive. After all they are being paid to dress that way. Like an actor's costume it's all for the show. The twenty-somethings at rehab....well they are not getting paid....or maybe they are.
# Posted By TFW | 7/15/09 5:02 AM
Kris's Gravatar Well, put, Jean! Have a wonderful time w/ the family.
# Posted By Kris | 7/15/09 8:37 AM
Kevin L's Gravatar It should also be noted that what is "slutty", "provocative", "sexy", etc. is not any kind of absolute. 100 years ago, a woman showing her ankles would have been considered a hussy, trollop, slut, etc. In Saudi Arabia today, a woman showing anything at all other than her eyes could be stoned to death for being "provocative". And the sort of dress that you see in a Catholic girl's school today would have gotten every one of those girls thrown out in 1930.

So when we get outraged at all this so-called "slutty" dress and behavior, we should remember that culture and fashion are RELATIVE.
# Posted By Kevin L | 7/16/09 1:38 PM