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The Heim

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'home field advantage in baseball decreases as the series progresses to the point that by game 4, it is as if the game was played on a neutral field.'


Can anyone help a brotha out??
 
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Cutter

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i can help you out.

stop listening to whatever source told you this.



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FadeIntoYou

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Would be interested in seeing a serious study of this.
 
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The Heim

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Cutter might be right however there is a parallel to this in the form of the NBA playoffs and
stat driven studies indicate that HCA does diminish as the series progresses...
 
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FadeIntoYou

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Pretty easy to figure out if you can devise a creative way to assign series game # to widely available score data.
 
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This might be the most interesting idea Heim has ever posted here. I would like to see the data.
 
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FadeIntoYou

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Since 1990


1 14260 7671 0.537938289
2 14076 7630 0.542057403
3 12367 6640 0.536912752
4 2698 1420 0.526315789
5 52 28 0.538461538
6 2 0 0
Grand Total 43455 23389 0.538234956


Not sure what to make of it, honestly.

Edited: 7/27/09 at 6:05 PM by FadeIntoYou
 
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There are some areas I don't want to get into here but...........I will say this.

Correctly adjusting for HFA/HCA is one of the last uncharted waters for most sharp semi/sharp bettors.

Example.........

NBA HCA is worth 3.8 points.......... except it's almost NEVER 3.8 points...............

D.


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FadeIntoYou

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BTW, the headers on that jumble of numbers are:

Series Game #/Total Games/Home Wins/Home Win %

Next time there's a 6 game series I'm flying there no matter what.
 
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ZEZO SAYS

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Thanks for clarifying. I was going to drop a WTF icon bomb but I didn't really know if it would be justified.
I figured there was some rhyme or reason to the numeric madness far above my "who's going to win the game" pay grade to comment.
Mathematics into an equation is often a far overlooked criteria when it comes the multitude of probable outcomes pertaining to a sporting event.



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Originally posted by: The Chaperone
This might be the most interesting idea Heim has ever posted here. I would like to see the data.


I believe this is the article Heim quoted.

http://www.easybaseballbetting.com/home_field_advantage_1.html
 
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The Heim

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Originally posted by: _kdog_
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Originally posted by: The Chaperone
This might be the most interesting idea Heim has ever posted here. I would like to see the data.


I believe this is the article Heim quoted.

http://www.easybaseballbetting.com/home_field_advantage_1.html


Hey dog, you're supposedly the Stoffo expert on another site yet you come on here and show
us just your google talents and don't even comment on the veracity of the quote??

 
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The Heim

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"As a result, there are very few baseball handicapping systems that I have for Road Favorites. When a good pitcher is on the mound on the road, the home field advantage of the opponent is rarely taken into consideration. This 7.2% advantage gives us great value on the home team.

This system is also referred to as 'lakerielenny's betting guide."

 
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FadeIntoYou

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His numbers are much different than mine, and I'm 100% confident in one of those data sets.
 
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Originally posted by: The Heim
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Originally posted by: _kdog_
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Originally posted by: The Chaperone
This might be the most interesting idea Heim has ever posted here. I would like to see the data.


I believe this is the article Heim quoted.

http://www.easybaseballbetting.com/home_field_advantage_1.html


Hey dog, you're supposedly the Stoffo expert on another site yet you come on here and show
us just your google talents and don't even comment on the veracity of the quote??


Stoffo expert lol. Pull up Sagarin. Check Yahoo to see who hasn't lost 3 in a row. Done. And 90% of those who bet bases would do better with that than their handicapping.

As for the HFA question I think logically this part has some accuracy as players adjust for travel, etc.
"home field advantage in baseball decreases as the series progresses"

This goes too far "to the point that by game 4, it is as if the game was played on a neutral field.''

 
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Originally posted by: DreamerNBA HCA is worth 3.8 points.......... except it's almost NEVER 3.8 points...............

D.


Uh, methinks you might be exaggerating just a little ...

 
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Originally posted by: PerpetualCzech
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Originally posted by: DreamerNBA HCA is worth 3.8 points.......... except it's almost NEVER 3.8 points...............

D.


Uh, methinks you might be exaggerating just a little ...


Methinks one of us knows what he is talking about.

The other hasn't looked into it deeply enough and is pulling his "methinks" out of his sphincter.

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Originally posted by: PerpetualCzech
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Originally posted by: DreamerNBA HCA is worth 3.8 points.......... except it's almost NEVER 3.8 points............... D.
Uh, methinks you might be exaggerating just a little ...


Looking at the Sagagin approximation for NBA home court advantage in history backward from 2008-9 , he has 3.78, 4.07, 3.20, 3.58, 3.28, 3.98 averaging 3.65 but with large variance.

Certainly seems to back up what Dreamer is saying.
 
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Originally posted by: ComptrBob
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Originally posted by: PerpetualCzech
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Originally posted by: DreamerNBA HCA is worth 3.8 points.......... except it's almost NEVER 3.8 points............... D.
Uh, methinks you might be exaggerating just a little ...


Looking at the Sagagin approximation for NBA home court advantage in history backward from 2008-9 , he has 3.78, 4.07, 3.20, 3.58, 3.28, 3.98 averaging 3.65 but with large variance.

Certainly seems to back up what Dreamer is saying.


Bob, I sent you a PM. Should explain everything.

D.

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Fezzik : 'I won in 2001, No one was hurling stones at my handicapping back then..................
wantitall4moi : "I gave them 0% chance to cover the opener of 9.5 that is why I bet Bears -9.5"
 
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Originally posted by: Dreamer
Bob, I sent you a PM. Should explain everything. D.


D, I sent you a PM. Should explain everything. LOL

- Bob
 
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