35 Years of Advantage Play – Part 3

1989 was a major transitional year in our lives.  The government was in the midst of a RIF (reduction in force) for civil service employees.  Brad had in his 30 years at Naval Avionics in Indianapolis, but although he was only in his late 50’s and was able to continue working, we decided it would be a smart move for him to take the generous buyout and retire.  Did the thought pass our minds that we could now go to casinos more often?  You bet it did!!

We decided to change our gambling style and leave the junkets, where we would need to take –  and sometimes lose –  several thousand dollars for usually just 3 or 4 days of fun. We figured we could take that same bankroll to Las Vegas, stick to playing lower level blackjack stakes, and we could have fun for longer periods of time.  So, we planned our first after-retirement trip for the month of June in Vegas.

Things did not go well.  We hit a long losing stretch the first two weeks.  We got a little scared – me especially!!!!   I told Brad we must change our air reservations to return back to Indianapolis a week earlier.  He didn’t think that was necessary – we weren’t running out of money and we were still having a lot of fun.  I said I just couldn’t have fun losing money that fast.  He had been gambling his whole life and knew all about volatility.  I just hadn’t had enough experience.

Well, the minute I changed the reservations, we started winning and that next week recouped most of our earlier losses.  We could have changed back our reservations to stay that 4th week, but we decided to go home at the 3-week mark and enjoy our hard-won victory.  I needed a rest after my first fierce battle with volatility.

We flew to Vegas a couple more times that year and many more in ’90 and ’91, increasing our stays from 10 days to up to a month.  We went through other losing streaks, but we were learning not to panic but just keep on the track of advantage play.

As we had learned in the earlier days, comps and promotions would be the thing that would smooth out the rough patches during these years. We had decided to no longer do those high-level junkets to exotic destinations, but in fact the casinos were not offering these as much anyway.  We did take advantage of something called “charters,” catering to more mid-level gamblers. These packages would bundle flights and free rooms and sometimes other perks.  You could purchase the package for a low price or you might be comped the whole package if you had a previous history of play. We did a couple of these from Indy to Atlantic City.  (And there are – or were before Corona – many of these same type of charters available currently.  For example, Harrah’s Laughlin brought in hundreds of players every month from smaller cities all over the country.)

We were getting many of our room nights free during these years, but not all.  So, we did many “Gambler’s Sprees.”  I forget the details now – what we paid – not much I don’t think – but I remember they would usually provide 3 nights free room and a certain number of gambling chips and perhaps some other perks like free meals or shows – always a good value over the cost.   We did one or more of these during our long Vegas stays – mainly at the Riviera, Stardust, and 4 Queens.

The casinos were promotion-crazy during this time – and I never saw a promotion I wouldn’t check out.  Slot tournaments abounded, often including comped room nights – some being free for established customers, but even some that had an entry fee  provided high-value comps.  We really jumped on the “cash programs,” like pay $200 and get $400 in chips.  We even did a couple of the crazy Stupak Stratosphere packages.  And I don’t need to talk about coupons – most of you have heard many stories of my incessant search: sweet-talking  – and a few tips – to get the room attendants to save all the coupon books left behind by former occupants;  walking from one end of the Strip to the other to use a high-value coupon; and to my daughter’s embarrassment, picking through mustard-laden trash at the Westward Ho for unused mini-breakfast coupons.

During these early 90’s when we weren’t traveling to Vegas and other gambling destinations, we were still making a lot of money – to cover our travel expenses – playing Tonk at the Moose Lodge.  And still plundering the Catholic Monte Carlo’s.

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Okay, quit begging and I’ll stop to answer some of your persistent questioning.  Here’s how I made money at the crap tables.

This was not casino craps – this was “street craps.” A dinky crap table with no nice green felt with markings, just a plain wooden surface.  A shooter would throw out to the middle his bet – whatever amount he could afford.  Then one person – or several people if the bet was large – would throw money to “cover” it.  (The middle was a bad bet since the church would take half of the money before paying the winners!!!) Once the “church’s money” was covered, all of us around the table could do side bets.  This was fast and furious action.

If the number rolled was “8,” I might throw down $10 or $20 on the side in front of me and shout “no 6.”  Someone who wanted to bet on the “6” would cover my bill with his corresponding bill. But if the table was full, I might have several people wanting to bet me, so I would have a row of bills in front of me all properly “covered.”   Some would want the “8” too.

“Okay, if you insist, I’ll cover the “6” and the “8” – just throw your money down here.”

If you know craps math, you know I had a nice edge.  But here is where the fun really started.  I would offer the same “no” bet whatever the numbers these crazy side betters wanted.  And the men (mostly young men at the table) would fight to get their bet down on my money even if the number was “4” or “10.”  When the shooter made the number, I would loudly complain as everyone picked up the money in front of me. However, when a “7” came up, I would just smile and scoop up all the bills, not wanting to draw any attention to the fact I was collecting fistfuls of money.

Occasionally some old codger would mutter something about “odds.”  The young men would ignore him, “We’re feeling lucky betting here with Grandma.”

I didn’t feel like it was my place to explain that some women – even old ones – could, contrary to widespread common belief, understand craps!

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5 Responses to 35 Years of Advantage Play – Part 3

  1. Sherry & George says:

    Another interesting read on Brad’s and your exploits! You’ve made such a difference to so many by sharing your knowledge, and over the years your name continues to comes up when encountering a gambling issue/promo etc! Thanks for educating ‘us’ amateurs in the world of gambling and please keep sharing your stories!

  2. Mark says:

    Wow. You sure have done your share of learning many games. We got started gambling in 1995 and played only slot machines. After being inspired by seeing you on national television, our first time playing video poker was quarters at the bar in Treasure Island. We were dealt a royal flush on our first hand EVER!! Needless to say, that changed our whole way of looking at a Las Vegas vacation. We quickly learned that locals casinos had the best games and the best comps. Our trips became more frequent and even though we have had some winning years, I should conservatively say that all in all, we are at best at break even on the gambling. The comps though, have made going to Las Vegas a frugal vacation choice. We haven’t paid for rooms or food in years.

  3. CrocDoc1 says:

    Jean, I met you about 15 years ago at the Rio during a LVAdvisor get-together. You signed my books and I got to talk to Brad for quite a while, which was a pleasure.
    My first Vegas stay was also at the Westward Ho in 1991 (I was 21). Even as I aged, earned more money/comps, and was able to stay at much nicer hotels, I always visited the Ho every time I was in town. Remember the snack bar with the monster, mystery-meat hot dogs and 99 cent shrimp cocktails? And the snack bar always smelled like mustard to me…ahh, so many great memories there.
    I miss the fun “tacky-ness” of Vegas before Wynn and the big corporations ruined it. Wonder if there are any casinos (or towns) anywhere that has that old, unpolished Vegas feel?
    Now days I avoid the strip like the plague (no pun intended) and stick to poker and good BJ games (if I can find them). But reading your blog brings back great memories of my favorite “quad” in town–Westward Ho, Stardust, Riviera and Slots-a-Fun. Thanks and God bless you!

  4. Martin says:

    I love these stories………sure stirs up memories too Jean! You had a few years start on me, and I (being younger) only began to experience the comps/couponing in LV abundance since 1991. In fact, I don’t know if you remember, but I was actually introduced to LVA with you and others at a ‘Gaming’ conference held at the Tropicana. It had a fee to attend, but included a slot tournament, which I was able to cash in on and it paid for the conference! Great seminars and info in those days. Westward Ho, Riviera, Stardust, Vegas World, Four Queens…….amazing that only the Four Queens is still around…depending on what Corona effects may have. I can see where all the table play began your comps experiences; Mine started differently (on .25c reels at W-Ho, until I learned video poker). Then I was a .05c (yes nickels) VP player, but learned well without losing much…and the occaisional Royal was such a thrill……any offers generated were icing on the cake for me at the time…. Thanks for the stories. Never let a grandma @ Craps fool ya….lol! Martin. San Diego. PS- At one time, I too have picked up mp’s from the free coupon sheets (Sands, Tropicana) and actually showed my brother how it could make your trip more ‘fun’ while profitable..He did quite well, winning 75% of his 50-50 matchplays….

  5. Elaine Rose says:

    Great stories! Keep ’em coming.
    When I was in Canada, the Vancouver papers had ads for a charter from Bellingham, WA to West Wendover, NV for about $160, including three nights’ hotel. I was told even this was comped if you played enough. I couldn’t take advantage, because due to the type of visa I had, if I left Canada there was not guarantee I’d be let back in. But it looked like a great deal.

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