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		<title>By: queen of comps</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[queen of comps]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 21:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanx for bringing this to my attention.  I guess, since I knew who I was, that I figured everyone else did too!  :)  I&#039;m bringing it to the attention of my Web Master who hopefullly can solve the problem.

In the meantime, I remain your frugal friend,
Jean $¢ott, The Frugal Gambler
http://queenofcomps.com/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanx for bringing this to my attention.  I guess, since I knew who I was, that I figured everyone else did too!  🙂  I&#8217;m bringing it to the attention of my Web Master who hopefullly can solve the problem.</p>
<p>In the meantime, I remain your frugal friend,<br />
Jean $¢ott, The Frugal Gambler<br />
<a href="http://queenofcomps.com/" rel="nofollow">http://queenofcomps.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: A New Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A New Fan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 06:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A dumb question, but... Who writes this column? And why isn&#039;t it more obvious? It&#039;s not here or the LVA front page.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A dumb question, but&#8230; Who writes this column? And why isn&#8217;t it more obvious? It&#8217;s not here or the LVA front page.</p>
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		<title>By: Dick &#38; Darla</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dick &#38; Darla]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2010 15:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To George - Ditto]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To George &#8211; Ditto</p>
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		<title>By: Gayl</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gayl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Aug 2010 12:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I love your double dipping stories.  They give me a mini adrenalin rush.  Almost as if I had pulled them off myself. :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love your double dipping stories.  They give me a mini adrenalin rush.  Almost as if I had pulled them off myself. 🙂</p>
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		<title>By: George Mikutowicz</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[George Mikutowicz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 16:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Value of free play is different for different folks with different strokes ref. Jean&#039;s and Kevin&#039;s comments on that subject. My wife and I live in Mesquite so to justify a trip strictly on the basis of available free play is near impossible.We love our quiet Mesquite environment but also enjoy the big city atmosphere that Vegas has to offer i.e.shows, restaurants and, speaking for my bride, thrift shops, plus we both love to gamble. Our trips to Vegas always include free play ,free nights, free restaurants,free gas and sometimes a free show. All of this thanks to what we have learned from Jean&#039;s books.
I don&#039;t know how to put a $/hr. value on free fun.
George]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Value of free play is different for different folks with different strokes ref. Jean&#8217;s and Kevin&#8217;s comments on that subject. My wife and I live in Mesquite so to justify a trip strictly on the basis of available free play is near impossible.We love our quiet Mesquite environment but also enjoy the big city atmosphere that Vegas has to offer i.e.shows, restaurants and, speaking for my bride, thrift shops, plus we both love to gamble. Our trips to Vegas always include free play ,free nights, free restaurants,free gas and sometimes a free show. All of this thanks to what we have learned from Jean&#8217;s books.<br />
I don&#8217;t know how to put a $/hr. value on free fun.<br />
George</p>
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		<title>By: Theresa Clift</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Theresa Clift]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 14:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You rule! We have tried to get a bump every time we travel and yet to get lucky. I love reading you blog! Thanks for the info!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You rule! We have tried to get a bump every time we travel and yet to get lucky. I love reading you blog! Thanks for the info!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve in Michigan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve in Michigan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 14:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s my comments on use of your time.  I too have ben married for many years to my wife.  I enjoy, after having spent a lot of time together (like a trip), some time alone.  Picking up comps and driving (mindless but enjoyable task) is just what the doctor ordered.

Also like Brad I would take a refresher nap prior to, then charge on.

We are all looking forward to your trip report.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s my comments on use of your time.  I too have ben married for many years to my wife.  I enjoy, after having spent a lot of time together (like a trip), some time alone.  Picking up comps and driving (mindless but enjoyable task) is just what the doctor ordered.</p>
<p>Also like Brad I would take a refresher nap prior to, then charge on.</p>
<p>We are all looking forward to your trip report.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue W</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sue W]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 12:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another comment on the airline bump--We have gotten the bump on serveral Southwest trips.  Our last voucher was going to expire before we could use it, but a quick call to Southwest and they extended the voucher 6 months which put it in the time frame we are going to be able to use it.  As a bonus we are going to be able to use the voucher to fly our family during the holidays in a time were there are few/none FF seats available.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another comment on the airline bump&#8211;We have gotten the bump on serveral Southwest trips.  Our last voucher was going to expire before we could use it, but a quick call to Southwest and they extended the voucher 6 months which put it in the time frame we are going to be able to use it.  As a bonus we are going to be able to use the voucher to fly our family during the holidays in a time were there are few/none FF seats available.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Lewis</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin Lewis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 11:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, I made no assumptions about your particular situation--or should I say, no STATED assumptions: I did, in fact, presume that in your/Brad&#039;s case, it was still worthwhile to do the free play run, even considering the costs. After all, I DID say that it &quot;MIGHT&quot; not be worth it to pick up free play, not specifically in your case (in your case, it probably is), but in general. Most of us who play .25 aren&#039;t going to get more than a $20 or $25 bounceback/free play offer (if that), so the cost of travel, personal time, etc. is somewhat more relevant to us lower-rollers than to someone like you or Brad who is playing 5-line $1 at $25 a pop.
The point I was trying to make, which I probably should have stated more explicitly, is that if you are figuring on bounceback/free play to push a -EV game into positive territory, then you also need to factor in the overhead associated with collecting it. For instance, a 9/6 JOB player who earned 0.2% base slot club points and 0.5% bounceback would be earning 0.24% in toto (assuming perfect play), or $24 per $10K coin-in. However, the real EV would be more like dead even because of the opportunity cost of collecting the free play. The actual value of free play is ((face amount)x(EV of game the FP must be run through))-(associated overhead). This net amount is often considerably less than the face amount of the free play, and in the case of low-rollers and small bounceback amounts, may be &#060;0; dragging a game back down into -EV territory.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I made no assumptions about your particular situation&#8211;or should I say, no STATED assumptions: I did, in fact, presume that in your/Brad&#8217;s case, it was still worthwhile to do the free play run, even considering the costs. After all, I DID say that it &#8220;MIGHT&#8221; not be worth it to pick up free play, not specifically in your case (in your case, it probably is), but in general. Most of us who play .25 aren&#8217;t going to get more than a $20 or $25 bounceback/free play offer (if that), so the cost of travel, personal time, etc. is somewhat more relevant to us lower-rollers than to someone like you or Brad who is playing 5-line $1 at $25 a pop.<br />
The point I was trying to make, which I probably should have stated more explicitly, is that if you are figuring on bounceback/free play to push a -EV game into positive territory, then you also need to factor in the overhead associated with collecting it. For instance, a 9/6 JOB player who earned 0.2% base slot club points and 0.5% bounceback would be earning 0.24% in toto (assuming perfect play), or $24 per $10K coin-in. However, the real EV would be more like dead even because of the opportunity cost of collecting the free play. The actual value of free play is ((face amount)x(EV of game the FP must be run through))-(associated overhead). This net amount is often considerably less than the face amount of the free play, and in the case of low-rollers and small bounceback amounts, may be &lt;0; dragging a game back down into -EV territory.</p>
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