Harrah’s Tahoe Trip Report Part 2

Okay, okay, you can stop expressing your disappointment about Part 1. I will now talk about the video poker at Harrah’s Tahoe!

When Wilma and I walked into the High Limit Room, it was like looking for old friends. Of course, we’d checked the vpFREE2 inventory list and seen the list of “really good games” and “pretty good games.”  But we were looking for an old favorite. And yes! There it was, our much-loved Fifty Play with 9/6 Jacks or Better from quarters to $2 and the same two side-by-side slant-tops in the same location where we ‘d played together for many years. The two uprights had been moved across the room, but they were also still side-by-side as they always had been.

There is one “kink” in these Fifty Plays that you need to watch for: You have to play a minimum of 20 lines/$25. That didn’t affect Wilma or me; we were playing at a higher level than that, though not as high as in the past when we could play more often and there were multiple high-level opportunities. Back then, we often played $125 or even $250 a hand when it could be coupled with hefty players club benefits and/or a juicy promotion. Now we played around $50 a hand, 40 hands at quarters. However, we got tired of $1,000 royals that didn’t seem to come along often enough to make up for our losses fast enough, so we switched to 10-line dollars. To be truthful, hitting a $4,000 royal was just more exciting. However one has to make denominational choices by looking at both your emotional bankroll and the one in your pocket!

Wilma did get a couple 4k royals, which helped her cut her losses. I got one, plus a dealt straight flush for $2500.

I know someone will look at vpFREE2 and ask me why we didn’t play Triple Double Bonus, which was on our same machines. They remind me that I’ve said many times to go for the highest EV you can find,  and it does have a slightly higher EV than JoB – 99.58 vs. 99.54. We would have liked to play that game, because it has so many big jackpots that make it exciting. However, if you go to my FVP Scouting Guide, you’ll see near this game this quote, “The longer the name of a video poker game, the more volatile it is apt to be.”  And the dollar-sign code for volatility for TDB is $$$$, vs. the one $ for JoB.  If I could play this game many hours a month, I would choose it in a heartbeat. But I want to play a more volatile game when I have the long term to get closer to the actual EV. For this short-term play, I will accept a small second-decimal point decrease in EV.

Speaking of volatility, I do have a lucky and happy story to share on the subject. I knew that there were a couple of Spin Poker machines on the floor and they did have the same good JoB game I’d been playing on Fifty Play. However, I deliberately steered myself away from them to keep from being tempted. I know they’re extremely volatile.

Spin Poker was Brad’s and my favorite video poker version ever since it appeared on casino floors and we played it every time we could find it with a good game. We hit some nice jackpots down through the years, but we also suffered through many extremely long losing spells. We used to say it was the game we loved to hate! Still, for a considerable period of time, we could find a good game quite frequently and we hit enough jackpots that we survived the volatility and it added to the win column in our records. But as with all VP, casinos cut paytables and during our last few years in Vegas, we were sad we could no longer find a good Spin Poker game.

Now Harrah’s Tahoe has one that I could play. I longed to have Brad with me to discuss whether it was a good idea to tackle it here, in what would be very short-term play. I wavered, but since I’d been playing about even so far on this trip, I decided to play it “for a short time.” “Short time” on a risky play usually means I switch back to a less risky one when losing becomes “painful.”  I know – this thinking is not based on a strict mathematical foundation. But as long as I’m not losing EV, I sometimes let my emotions help me make decisions. And I really love to play Spin Poker.

If you’ve never played it, you may not understand how it works. It is multi-line, with 9 paying lines, but these lines crisscross, making it look a little like a slot machine. Also, it uses cards from only one deck, not a different deck for each line, like, for example, Triple Play, Ten Play, or Hundred Play. Fortunately, it doesn’t require a change in strategy or an increase in credits. For the $1 game, max bet is $45 ($5 for each of the 9 lines).  If you’re dealt all 5 to a royal, you make 9 royals for a $36,000 payday. Other deals and draws will give you pays or multiple pays, all depending on the position of the cards.  You can get anywhere from one to five royals in one hand.

And that is where my happy experience with volatility came about. After playing just a short time, I was dealt 4 cards to a royal in the 1,2,3,4 positions. My 5th royal card could have come up in 3 different positions. One would have given me one royal  and I would have been happy with $4,000. However, it came up in a corner position, which produced three royals. $12,000 made me three times as happy!

I’ve already received many questions and comments about this Tahoe trip and I’m sure there will be more after this Part 2 comes out. I also have more details that I haven’t covered. So fire away in the Comments and I will address your questions and concerns in the upcoming Part 3.

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11 Responses to Harrah’s Tahoe Trip Report Part 2

  1. Jerry Udell says:

    I know $12K + but you look like $1,000,000!
    Way to go Jean. Miss our meet ups in Vegas. Best to you and Brad,
    Take care
    Jerry

  2. Angelo Dadamio says:

    Jean And Wilma pulling up in style! What a ride it must of been the last 38 years! Best wishes to you and Brad. Loved the latest video with american casino guide only problem it wasn’t long enough hahaha. Can only hope to be as sharp as you at 83! Good luck next time out hope you hit them good again!

  3. Candy says:

    Whether that nice 12K win took 10 years off your lovely face, or you just haven’t aged much lately, many congrats for that hit and others of yours and Wilma’s during your trip, and the joy of having gambling fun with a BFF.

  4. Nancy Money Turnage says:

    Do you play JOB in Tahoe and Deuces Wild in Cherokee? Where do you practice on the computer?

  5. Mark says:

    I almost never play 9/6 DDB but occasionally I take a short run at it. Last week I put $200 in a triple line machine. On my last $90 I quite happily was dealt AAAA9. I drew for one kicker and won $3600. Being oh too well aware of the variance I happily went back to playing Bonus Poker and J.O.B. Leaving the casino that day $2600 ahead after a nice long session playing on the house’s money felt good.

  6. Calwatch says:

    The other thing is your knowledge of the strategy. The jacks or better strategy is extremely easy to know whereas TDB has many exceptions and penalties. Bob Dancer was presented this opportunity in a past column and decided on Jacks which he could do in his sleep, rather than try to refresh his knowledge on TDB and make an error.

  7. GregM says:

    Look at you. That magic touch is still there. Awesome!

  8. Howard Stern says:

    The middle position would have produced three royals as well. Only the 3rd column works as 2, 5, 2. (all three always have to add up to 9) When needing more than one card the combined positions matter. Congrats on the hit!

  9. Linda Bushyager says:

    Loved hearing of your adventures with Wilma. Hope you have a great time. We were on a cruise, Symphony of Seas, “free” trip, but horrible paytables and just horrible VP results. Seemed like slots did better, though bad. Played enough to get another “freebie” — this one in a Grand Suite. My losses probably paid most of the 2 cruises! We did love all the free food. We haven’t been to Tahoe in 4 years — love the beautiful location. Maybe next year….

  10. Contratulations on the triple Spin Poker Royal jackpot. I love spin poker as I’ve had some nice jackpots that goes along with some big losses. I’ve been unable to find good Spin Poker pay tables in Las Vegas but they do have them in Reno.

  11. Kevin Lewis says:

    If you gotta play $1 Spin Poker to get the 9/6 paytable, that’s $45 a spin. The game goes more slowly than single-line–you get about 500 hands/hour. Twenty-two and a half grand stuffed into the machine every hour–enough to buy a new small car. Yoicks!

    There’s a couple of casinos in Henderson where you can play 10/6 DDB and NSUD Spin Poker for $0.01 denomination, or 45 cents a spin (or much higher). I love to play that game. And while yes, it can be volatile, the “spreading out” of results among nine hands does tend to reduce that volatility. As 10/6 DDB is a 100.07% game, I want to play it, but at single line, you can get killed if the big hands don’t show up. I play nine lines at 15 cents per line ($1.35/spin) and get a LOT more play than if I played single line at $1.25/spin.

    Obviously, I’m a much lower roller than Jean, but I agree with her that if you’re going to play a fun but much more volatile game, you’d better restrict yourself to the very best paytables available for that game.

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