Losing at VP – Part 7

More from 2001.

3.      Choose ONLY playing opportunities where the total return is 100% or higher.  Total return is the sum of the machine return plus any cash benefits.  For example, if you play deuces wild [classic schedule] at a casino with cashback of .25%, like the Suncoast in Vegas, your total return would be 100.7 + .25 = 100.95%.  If you played 9/6 Jacks or Better at the Suncoast on double-points day, your total return would be right at 100% ( 95.5% + .5%).  It is IMPOSSIBLE to win in the long term if you play at less than 100%.  I’m sorry to have to break his news to you  – but, although you can possibly be winners in the short run, you can NEVER beat the math in the long term.  There is no betting system that will turn a negative game into a positive one.

[This Suncoast play is no longer available.  Most local casinos give free play insstead of cash these days, and the rate is usually lower for 100%+ games or they are not eligible for promotions.  However, the basic concept has not changed.  Read again those last two sentence above – this will NEVER change!]

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4 Responses to Losing at VP – Part 7

  1. To answer Larry’s question:

    We always play over 100% but that is the EV of the game PLUS the cash or cash-equivalent benefits. I do not figure comps in our real return, although they do have real value and enrich our lives considerably. I have explained this in more detail in all of my books.

  2. Larry says:

    I’ve read most of what you’ve written over the years. My understanding is that you started out as nickel or quarter players, but your bankroll now lets you play the highest-limit that you can find. Is this all due to playing so-called “Full-pay” machines of 98 or 99% return (100+% return being all but impossible to find any more), or is there more to it?

    I know you’ve worked the comp and freebie system to its limits over the years, but I’m not counting your storage lockers full of casino jackets and TV/VCR’s as part of your bankroll. I’m talking about pure gambling cash bankroll only.

  3. Georgi Sears says:

    Hi, Jean ~ Living in Florida, we haven’t had any luck finding anything even close to a decent pay schedule. Very frustrating! So I guess the few times we do play here, we have to rely on short term luck. By the way, we were in Vegas a couple of weeks ago ~ we were eating dinner at the Silverton buffet with some relatives and our cousin’s adorable little granddaughter. Happened to notice you and Brad with a group almost right next to us, but we didn’t want to bother you while you were eating! You two look great! We’ll be back in Vegas in April ~ can’t wait!

  4. Jan Spornhauer says:

    Jean
    When will you be getting to changing machines? Next to pay tables, I believe that players lack knowledge of when not to leave a given machine. It seems to me most players switch machines quite frequently and are impacting their ability to win.

    Thanks

    Jan

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