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When You’re No Longer Welcome

October 1, 2019 9 Comments Written by Bob Dancer

Let’s assume that your local casino has taken away your player’s card, meaning you can no longer receive most of the benefits from playing there. For the sake of today’s discussion, you are still allowed to play there without a card if you like. Further, assume that you insist on playing with an edge or not at all.

What do you do now?

First, sometimes you can talk your way back into being able to play with the card. Not often. But sometimes. If winning the drawings too many times was the reason for your ouster from the club, for example, perhaps agreeing to not enter certain categories of drawings will be enough. Perhaps agreeing to not play certain machines will work, or not playing on certain point multiplier days. Whatever. Being in the club is better than not being in the club if this option is possible. 

If this is not possible, you need to look closely at whether there are games you ignored before that could be playable at least some of the time. The most likely candidates for this would be progressives. Sometimes a 9/5 Double Double Bonus machine (97.87% at reset) with one or more progressives can be a profitable game to play when the progressives are high enough. Not every day. Certainly not every time you check. But sometimes.

The best book on how to evaluate progressives is Frank Kneeland’s The Secret World of Video Poker Progressives. Some of the information presented in the book is dated, but I don’t know of any better source. If you can find and hook up with other pros playing progressives, perhaps they can show you the ropes. 

In general, you need a bigger bankroll to play progressives than you do playing games with a 4,000-coin royal flush simply because a higher percentage of your return is in the relatively-rare royal flush. You lose much faster between royals than you do at games that start out with a higher return. In addition to the physical bankroll, you need a psychological bankroll to survive at this. Losing streaks will be longer. If you were barely scraping by financially before you got restricted, progressives are likely not a good option for you. 

On the other hand, sometimes progressives get big enough that you’ll have a 2% or larger advantage while playing them. You virtually never get advantages this high playing machines without progressives.

Advantage slots are another possibility. Sometimes it has to do with progressive meters. Sometimes it is a “must hit by” progressive and the meter is very close to the maximum. Sometimes it’s looking for a certain number of a particular kind of symbol, and when you find that condition, the game is beatable. How to recognize the games that are beatable is found on several sites on the Internet. Which of these sites provide the best information is something I can’t share with you simply because this is not an avenue I have pursued. 

There are players being kicked out of casinos for playing advantage slots these days. Since my face is relatively well known as a sharp machine player, I will get extra scrutiny if I play slots. And I expect my welcome will be short-lived. So, I haven’t even gone through the effort of learning which machines to play.

Particularly in Las Vegas, there are a LOT of players seeking out and playing advantage slots — which seriously reduces the likelihood of you coming across a playable game at any particular time. Success requires scouting — and sometimes being in the right place at the right time when someone leaves a machine that is in an advantageous state, but it can be done. In other locales, slot hustlers are less common, and you can do well at this.

Another option is to simply stop visiting this casino and patronize others. If you live in a place where there are a lot of casinos, this is no problem (assuming you haven’t been run off by too many of the other ones as well.) If you live in a place where there aren’t many casinos, this is tougher.

Some high limit players need to resort to playing dollar machines in order to keep playing. They have the bankroll to play higher, but they might not have the welcome or full benefits at the places that have the bigger machines. At a smaller level, some dollar players may need to resort to playing for quarters at other casinos to stay in the game.

Going the other way (meaning formerly playing quarters but being forced to play dollars at another casino in order to have an edge) doesn’t happen as frequently. Comparatively speaking, few quarter players are restricted at casinos. (It absolutely does sometimes happen, however.) If you are forced to move up in stakes, make sure you have the bankroll to do so. You can check bankroll requirements using the Video Poker for Winners software, or Dunbar’s Risk Analyzer for Video Poker. The products yield similar results using very different methods of analysis.

Traveling to play is another option. Players in Las Vegas can travel to several locations in California, Northern Nevada, and elsewhere if they are out of places to play at home. I’m not going to tell you to go to the XYZ casino in such-and-such a city simply because publishing the play will likely kill it. These plays are out there, but you’re going to have to scout and network to find them. Players who have developed networks with other winning players will find out about these possibilities much faster than those who are starting from scratch. Traveling takes time and is not cheap. Some players do not have the time, interest, or resources to pursue this avenue.

A final option is to give up video poker and take up bowling — or any other activity you’re interested in. Some people will not be able to find beatable games within their bankroll. When this happens, some tough decisions need to be made. Using the suggestions in this article, however, will sometimes postpone for another day having to make that decision.  

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9 Comments

  1. LC Larry LC Larry
    October 1, 2019    

    There are a few other VP options where carded play isn’t necessary. Not going to divulge them, but they’re not hard to figure out. And yes, you can still make a lucrative income from such plays.

  2. Liz Liz
    October 2, 2019    

    Play table games. Take Colin Jones’ Boot Camp if you don’t know what you’re doing. If you still have spare time, watch cat videos on youtube. Spunky the cat is the best. Also check up on the latest news on gamergirl bathwater and the GTA casino (still free parking and no resort fees). And “how to slav your car” and “how to squat like slav” and of course “tripoloski”.

  3. Jay Jay
    October 2, 2019    

    “Comparatively speaking, few quarter players are restricted at casinos.”

    I am one of those players, and it happened within only a few sessions. I was initially getting about 2% in non-cash comps, but shortly after two or three security-type people started circling and looking at me play, I found that my rating had been cut to a level that made the play negative. After trying to reach the head of marketing to get things back to normal and not getting calls returned, and after speaking to Bob Nersesian for advice (who claimed he charged $450 per hour for his time), I figured the chances of success were unlikely.

  4. Jim A Jim A
    October 3, 2019    

    After forty plus years of casino gambling I have learned that, if a casino allows you entry, and allows you to participate in gaming, whatever they allow you to do, it’s not good for you, period.

  5. LC Larry LC Larry
    October 3, 2019    

    “If you haven’t been kicked out of a casino, you’re doing something wrong.”

  6. Jimmy Jazz Jimmy Jazz
    October 10, 2019    

    Jim, what does your post even mean? I read it 3 times and I still don’t know what you are talking about? Are you just saying “Casinos are bad”?. Could have been a much shorter post.

  7. LC Larry LC Larry
    October 10, 2019    

    Read mine. Basically deciphered his. In short, casinos only want losers on the premises. Winners are shown the door.

  8. Jimmy Jazz Jimmy Jazz
    October 23, 2019    

    I’d have to disagree with both of you. I have been playing in casinos for 30+ years and for the last 20+ years, I’ve had an edge in what I play. Now, I’m sure casinos aren’t happy about it but I have been shown the door only once in the last 20+ years and that casino paid dearly for its mistake. There are a lot of positive plays in a casino. Not getting the boot is just one more skill you have to learn in order to make money at the casinos.

  9. LC Larry LC Larry
    October 23, 2019    

    The biggest skill is staying off of their radar. Casinos falsely advertise that they “love” winners. The fact is, the complete opposite is the truth. And it’s even worse for winning AP’s. Machine players have gotten a lot more scrutiny in the last few years. Just because you’ve been shown the door once in the last 20 years, don’t be naive that it won’t happen 12 times in the next 1 year.

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