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  1. EV Bandit
    September 7, 2021

    I gave away my VP strategy algorithm on Skip Hughes’ mailing list (this was roughly 20 years ago). I’m in my 60’s now, my eye-sight is not good and sometimes I need a cane to get around. So I haven’t played much VP in the past 5 years.

    My VP algorithm is based on conflicts and Jazbo’s seminal hierarchical matrix structure (which I replaced with buckets). The following is my basic strategy for (non-progressive) 9/6 JoB:

    9/6 JoB VP

    5 RF > 5 SF > 4# > FH
    3# > 2P
    4 RF > 5 FL > 5 ST
    4 SF (all) > Big Pair

    3 RF > 4 FL
    KQJT > Small Pair > 4 ST 0G
    3 SF +1 > 3 SF 0
    QJs > AKQJ
    KHs, AHs > AHHT, KQJ9
    3 SF -1 (1 HC 2G, 0 HC 1G)

    KQJ > QJ
    JTs > KH
    QTs > AH
    KTs > 1 HC
    3 SF -2 (0HC 2G) > Redraw

    H = Honor Card
    3 SF + X, etc is Liam Daily’s established notation
    4# is quads & 3# is trips
    G = gaps
    “s” = suited
    AHs means Ace & Honor Card that are suited

    My contribution to VP strategy is to break hand to hold into buckets (3 buckets in this example):
    1st bucket is premium hands, e.g. made hands
    2nd bucket is 4 card vs 3 card hands
    3rd bucket is mostly 2 card hands (3 cards vs 2 cards & 2 cards vs 1 card).

    Every hand has at least 1 conflict: keep up to 5 cards or redraw
    The first bucket deals with conflicts involving made hands (low pair is not a made hand)
    4 card hands are generally better than 3 card hands
    Suited hands are generally better than non suited hands, etc

    So I teach people hand recognition, hand conflicts, and where the best cards belong in the three buckets.

    The “ The unsuited 2346, a 4-card inside straight with no high cards” is not in any bucket so the player is forced to redraw.

    In plain vanilla non-wild VP like 9/6 JoB, there are two conflicting branches:
    High Pair -> Two Pair vs Three of a Kind -> Full House vs Quads
    Straights vs Flushes -> Straight Flushes (including Royal Flush)

    The player needs to understand that some hands are in conflicts with other hands due to where there are in the paths.

    So the player needs to know which path to pursue, e.g. the unsuited 2346 follows a path for Straights. The strategy says the lowest 4 card unsuited straight (0 Gap) with no High Card is in the 2nd bucket otherwise the unsuited 2346 (1 Gap) is a redraw because the conflict is to redraw.

    You are always looking for the BEST REASON not to redraw and that makes the strategy work.

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  2. Boris
    September 7, 2021

    Mr Bob Dancer mentioned in the 2nd half of his weekly column the strategy for Full Pay Deuces play, in which case inside straigth draws are better than nothing. Of course it’s because of the wild cards available in the rest of the deck which basically make an inside straight to a hand similar to an open ended straight-draw in other versions.

    My little contribution to this is that we live in different times and unfurtunately, Full Pay Deuces games have disappeared from the gaming floors. If not at 100 per cent, but maybe at 95 per cent. Some smaller casinos may have this game at smaller denomination and at very small pace , thus making the game no longer interesting to play.

    I miss the times when there were 20-30 games at most Station Casinos properties in the Vegas valley, making it fun driving from one casino to the other and play the machines. Red Rock had plenty of them, and in the beginning, the point value was not bad at all, either. But those days are gone, and today you can be happy if you find a NSUD game with decent points value. But even that game recommends going for the inside straight, although not in every situation, as far as I remember. Not so sure anymore, but I think A-3-4-5 and any other higher card would not make it an inside straight to hold because all you need is a deuce and if it’s a deuce that comes you want the other 3 deuces to follow , LOL, or at least 2 more of them, giving you a nice 4-of-a-kind or higher. Plus, a straight only pays 2x, while you would get 4x the money in the J-o-B game, mentioned by Mr Bob Dancer in the example above. Is that more or less accurate?

    From Switzerland

    Boris

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  3. Robert Burns
    September 12, 2021

    343 members of “the fire unions” all brothers and sisters of mine gave their lives that day.
    Product member, IAFF

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    • James Grosjean
      September 12, 2021

      And we thank all fire fighters for doing the job. But, there’s a difference between fire fighters, and fire-fighter unions. There’s a difference between police, and police unions.

      [Please educate me here: I’m not familiar with “Product member, IAFF”—what does that mean?] You pretty much prove my point: co-opting the heroism of the NYC fallen for political leverage/argument. But hey, Trump 2024, right? Whoo hoo!!!!

      https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/commentary/philadelphia-firefighters-covid-vaccine-mandate-20210827.html

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  4. Jay
    October 3, 2021

    Nope – if it isn’t held, it’s not on there. I do add some mnemonics to charts from the “usual” places like Wizard of Odds and software programs written by decidedly reputable people or sometimes use chart A for B when mismatches don’t cost too much – the latter is easier for me and probably an overall saver since trying to memorize B from scratch would cause me to make mistakes.

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