• Home
  • Archived Blogs
    • James Grosjean (AP)
      • About James Grosjean
      • View all posts
    • Bob Dancer (Video Poker)
      • About Bob Dancer
      • View all posts
      • Video Poker Classes
    • Richard Munchkin (AP)
      • About Richard Munchkin
      • View all posts
    • Lou Antonius
      • About Dr. Lou Antonius
      • View all posts
    • Blair Rodman (Poker)
      • About Blair Rodman
      • View all posts
    • FrankB (Sports)
      • About FrankB
      • View all posts
    • Jack Andrews (Sports)
      • About Jack Andrews
      • View all posts
    • Jimmy Jazz (AP)
      • View all posts
    • Anthony Curtis
      • About Anthony Curtis
      • View all posts
    • Guest Bloggers
    • Podcast
  • The Games
    • Bingo Rooms
    • Blackjack
    • Keno Rooms
    • Poker Rooms
    • Video Poker
      • Best Video Poker
      • Bob Dancer Articles
      • Game Room
    • Sports Betting Books
  • Shop
    • Blackjack Strategy
    • Casino Comps & Promotions
    • Casino-Game Strategy Cards
    • Game Protection
    • James Grosjean Strategy Cards (ShopLVA Exclusive)
    • GWAE-Author Products
    • Las Vegas Advisor Membership + Member Rewards
    • Poker-Strategy
    • Sports Betting & Daily Fantasy
    • Tournament Play
    • Video Poker Strategy
  • Arnold Snyder’s Blackjack Forum Online
  • LVA Home
  • Home
  • Advantage Play
  • Sports betting
  • The End of Days for CGT

The End of Days for CGT

March 18, 2017 8 Comments Written by FrankB

Cantor Gaming, subsequently Cantor Gaming Technology (CGT), was formed in 2004 and in 2009 made a big splash in the Vegas sports betting market with it’s outlet at the newly opened M Resort. Over the next few years they became known as the place to go if you wanted to bet big and gained the reputation of taking on all comers. Things started to unravel soon after. Turns out that accepting all players included agents for bookmaking operations and they became intertwined in some of those dealings. What followed was a series of incidents that led to state gaming violations, NGC imposed fines and sanctions, employee theft (from player accounts including mine and the late great Kirk Kerkorian’s), company theft (short-paying parlay bettors), employee arrests, and eventually the forced resignation of head man, Lee Amaitis.

What once was an entity in Las Vegas that appeared to be leading the way to legitimizing sports betting on a national level became just the opposite. You had to watch yourself when dealing with Cantor. You had to double check your payouts. You had to monitor your account balances and transactions. Players were manipulated into using the mobile applications even if they just wanted to bet over the counter. Over the app, CGT could reject bets at will that a player might get in at the window so if you were a known player you could get the app-only treatment. They had an “our way is best” attitude along with a “take it or leave” stance as far as their unorthodox policies went. At one point they were so pompous about their self-perceived superiority that they removed their lines from all public feeds. Their position was that if anyone wanted to know what the lines were they’d just have to come to the book to see them. The move was so dumb it defied logic. Anyone with an ounce of insight on the subject knew that you don’t increase your handle by making your lines less accessible. Since one of the primary objectives that CGT stated repeatedly was to handle volume unlike that which had ever been seen in Nevada you knew that something was amiss when CGT started hiding its lines.

Over the years I wanted to like Cantor. I wanted them to succeed because a lot of what they were trying to do seemed really good for business. The development of their own app before anyone had one. The implementation of live betting and the attempt to get variations of fantasy sports into the market. They tried going 24 hours for a while. They tried giving rebates on losses. I liked them because they weren’t afraid to offer things you couldn’t get at the other books. Even the very ill-conceived entity-betting idea — they were the only book that said they’d give it a try. It was something of a self-serving move, but at least they saw an opportunity and moved on it. They didn’t sit on their hands and for that they deserve appropriate praise. They took their shot — but it appears that their time is just about up.

Nothing has been officially confirmed via CGT, but according to a number of reports they are scheduled to be auctioned off to the highest bidder prior to the end of April. Speculation is that there are three or four primary candidates looking to acquire the assets and license of CGT. Two of those candidates already have a presence in Las Vegas, so as a player, I’ll be rooting hard for a group other than those two to win out. William Hill almost certainly will be in the mix since blocking another Euro-based outfit from entering the market is clearly in its best interest. Of the books reportedly interested, BetFair and Paddy Power seem to be the most likely to make a play for CGT. Either would be fine with me. We don’t need more William Hill nor do we need more consolidation of the sports market. We need some expansion in the marketplace. Adding another MGM, William Hill, or Coast doesn’t do the players a bit of good.

If a sale does go down, what happens to the CGT books in the interim is anyone’s guess. They have deals at the various books that could end as early as 2017 and at the Venetian they are in especially bad shape due to the current terms of the agreement there. They pay a hefty sum to Sands Corporation (reportedly 300K per month) for operating out of the Palazzo and Venetian. On top of that they’re forced to pay $200 daily for the Venetian book to be cleaned overnight. The property also refuses to cash tickets after hours which forces CGT to staff someone on site to cash. It hardly sounds like a harmonious relationship.

As far as the players go, there would be the whole account-betting situation to deal with. Coast handled their switchovers fairly well, but they were going with the same software (which is married to the counter equipment) as the books they were acquiring. That won’t be the case with CGT so it could be a lot more complicated if a conversion to a whole new system is necessary.

Facebooktwitteryoutubeinstagram
Advantage Play, Sports betting
BetFair, betting app, betting lines, Cantor, CGT, Coast, Cosmo, entity betting, kirk kerkorian, Lee Amities, LIVE betting, loss rebates, M Resort, MGM Grand, Paddy Power, Palazzo, Palms, Sands Corporation, sports betting, Venetian, William Hill
Podcast – guest Olympic Gold Medalist Connor Fields
There’s More to EV than Just EV

8 Comments

2 Pings/Trackbacks

  1. Vegas News | March Madness Begins And Lots Of Vegas Rumors - TravelZork Vegas News | March Madness Begins And Lots Of Vegas Rumors - TravelZork
    March 19, 2017    

    […] so. The Bloomberg article is a good look at CG Technology from the business side. This blog post on Gambling With An Edge looks at CG Technology from the customer […]

  2. Dicedoctor Dicedoctor
    March 19, 2017    

    Wall Street meets sports betting. Makes me think Wall Street outfits like Cantor are used to getting away with all kinds of dishonest and borderline dishonest shenanigans. Gambling must be honest and upfront.

  3. Captain Jack Captain Jack
    March 19, 2017    

    I’m not sorry to see them go either. One note: Betfair and Paddy Power are now the same company. Unfortunately the rampant merging of gaming companies to eliminate competition is not confined to only Vegas.

  4. Sportsbettor Sportsbettor
    March 21, 2017    

    The whole money laundering case was nothing but a money grab by the Feds, who like everyone else would have had absolutely no interest in the completely victimless case if not for the potential to line their pockets through criminal and civil forfeiture. The company just kind of ran bad, one with the bad actor in Colbert, but also in general ran bad to be targeted – to think similar activities don’t take place daily in every high stakes baccarat pit in Vegas would be laughable. On the other hand the systemic theft from players should have been a criminal matter and I don’t have any sympathy for them now as a result.

    As for booking, these guys kind of sucked, but at least they weren’t as bad as William Hill. So the hope for Vegas bettors with a clue would be that WH doesn’t win the auction. I wouldn’t be too hopeful, because all of the other companies mentioned are just as bad, but it’s at least possible they’d take a different approach in the US.

    Unfortunately the only two, maybe three sportsbooks in the world capable of setting lines and booking sharp action profitably on US sports are unlikely to ever get a license here. Sports betting all around the world is dying off as the business model of “copy Pinnacle for the lines, advertise a bunch to bring in losing players, ban anyone with a brain” seems to be the new norm.

  5. Frank B Frank B
    March 22, 2017    

    The parlay payout thing I actually have the ability to give them the benefit of the doubt on. There are other systems out their with the same category of “glitch”. On that it comes down to whether they were aware it was taking place because I have seen other systems short payouts on a parlay and they’re completely unaware of why it’s happening.I could explain it but it would be long and boring.

    As far as William Hill goes, a different auction winner could end up being just as bad but at least we’d have a shot at something new.

  6. lme lme
    March 26, 2017    

    I was working the shift that money was takin from KK’s account. I’ll never forget it. Also they have outside company to clean the Venetian. They never clean the book unless we begged them to clean up broken glass.

  7. Frank B Frank B
    March 27, 2017    

    Thanks for clarifying the situation at the Venetian. CGT management isn’t very forthcoming with information so details can get twisted. When I inquired about the theft from my account that included the forging of my name on a withdrawal slip they refused to give the name of the person responsible. As if it were none of my business that someone from their company was committing felonies including forging my name and five figure theft from my account. That pissed me off as much as the offense – that management decided it was not my concern. All they would say is “It has been taken care of”. Given their history, that didn’t exactly give me the warm and fuzzy feeling inside I was looking for.

    I was also told recently that the contracts at the various casinos have varying buy-out clauses so the outlets may or may not change depending on if buy-outs are exercised. The employees that deal with the public are a pretty good group. It’s what happens under the hood that gets questioned a lot.

    I will testify that there are many big bettors around that will be depressed to see CG go if that becomes the case. A few are already in a pre- mourning stage. Most guys just want an independent out with some opinion in the lines and they get that with CG. Have a feeling that for most, it will be a case of really missing them once they are gone.

  8. Rumor: MGM Resorts To Purchase The Cosmopolitan - Front Desk Tip Rumor: MGM Resorts To Purchase The Cosmopolitan - Front Desk Tip
    April 17, 2017    

    […] if at all, to match what MGM Resorts International currently offers at their Las Vegas casinos. Supposedly their deal with sports book operator CG Technology expires at the end of the year. MGM Resorts […]

  1. Vegas News | March Madness Begins And Lots Of Vegas Rumors - TravelZork on March 19, 2017 at 2:06 am
  2. Rumor: MGM Resorts To Purchase The Cosmopolitan - Front Desk Tip on April 17, 2017 at 6:31 pm

Leave a Reply Cancel reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *

Join LVAs Mailing List


Sign me up for:

GWAE Post Categories

  • Advantage Play (653)
    • Advanced Strategy (262)
    • Advice for Players (258)
    • Comps & Promos (75)
    • Game Protection (10)
  • Breaking News (8)
    • News Stories (3)
  • Casino Games (395)
    • Blackjack (31)
    • Craps (11)
    • Other Table Games (13)
    • Poker (33)
    • Slot Machines (5)
    • Video Poker (302)
  • Daily Fantasy Sports (2)
  • Gambling Glossary & Terminology (19)
  • Gambling Online (7)
  • General Thoughts/Opinion (78)
  • GWAE Podcast Episodes (643)
  • Non-Casino Games (3)
  • Reviews: Books, Movies, TV (29)
  • Sports betting (46)
  • Tournaments (2)

Recent Comments

  • coconut on What Would You Do?
  • KOAficionado on Colin Jones (S1 E9): Knockout KISS
  • A McGill on New Blackjack, Same Old Baloney
  • 바카라사이트 on The Cheating Game
  • Bajilive on “You’ve Already Hit the Royal”

Recent Posts

  • Business credit cards for profession gamblers and APs
  • Podcast – Sherriff AP episode 9
  • Spinach!
  • THE IMPORTANCE OF EVALUATING YOUR RESULTS IN BLACKJACK
  • Billy’s Book
Never miss another post

GWAE Bloggers

  • About Andy Uyal
  • About Anthony Curtis
  • About Bill Ordine
  • About Blair Rodman
  • About Bob Dancer
  • About FrankB
  • About Jack Andrews
  • About James Grosjean
  • About Nicholas Colon
  • About Richard Munchkin
  • Bloggers
  • Play Desert Diamond
  • Podcast – attorney Bob Nersesian 12/8/22
  • Podcast – Mickey Crimm 3/23/2023
  • SuperBlog
“Gambling With An Edge” is a unique cyber-hub where some of most-respected minds in professional gambling collectively share their expertise, advanced-strategy tips, insights, and opinions via the GWAE “SuperBlog” and weekly GWAE radio show.
The expertise to be found here spans the full spectrum of casino games, advantage-play techniques, and legal-wagering opportunities in the U.S., with contributors including James Grosjean (AP, table games), Bob Dancer (video poker), Richard Munchkin (AP, author), Blair Rodman (poker), Frank B. (sports betting), and others.

Other LVA Blogs

Frugal Vegas with Jean Scott
LVA Travel
Stiffs & Georges with David McKee
Vegas with an Edge
Powered by LasVegasAdvisor.com copyright 1983-2018 Huntington Press | All Rights Reserved | Privacy Policy