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Comparing Bonus Poker with Super Aces Bonus Poker

February 7, 2023 9 Comments Written by Bob Dancer

I recently came across a dollar 8/5 Super Aces Bonus Poker game and it’s been years since I played it. I know 8/5 Bonus Poker cold, and because the full house, flush, and straight are the same between the two games, the strategies must be similar. Still, they differ in the amount of the straight flush, quads, and two pair — all of which affect the strategy as well.

I thought it would be instructive to give you ten hands — three of which are played the same in the two games and the other seven are played differently. Even if you haven’t mastered both games, you might find it an interesting exercise trying to figure out which four are played the same before you look at the answers. 

Don’t feel too bad if you miss a few. This is not a simple test. The table below highlights in yellow the differences between the two pay schedules.:

8/58/5
BonusSuper Aces
Royal Flush800800
Straight Flush5060
Four Aces80400
Four 2s-4s4080
Four 5s-Ks2550
Full House88
Flush55
Straight44
Three of a Kind33
Two Pair21
Jacks or Better11
Return99.17%99.94%
Variance19.563.4

  1. Q♣ J♣ T♣ 9♣ 8♦
  2. Q♥ J♥ T♥ Q♠ 3♦
  3. A♠ K♠ Q♦ J♦ 8♦
  4. K♥ J♠ T♠ 9♦ 5♣
  5. T♠ 9♦ 8♣ 7♥ 7♠
  1. Q♣ J♦ 7♠ 5♠ 4♠
  2. K♦ T♦ 7♦ 6♣ 3♥
  3. K♣ 2♥ A♠ 3♠ 5♠  
  4. A♥ K♠ J♠ T♦ 5♠
  5. A♠ Q♦ J♣ 9♣ 8♦

Answers:

  1. Both games, QJT98. Even though straight flushes pay 60-for-1 in SAB, a dealt straight is more valuable than even the most valuable 4-card straight flush draw. If straight flushes return 80-for-1 or higher (as in Triple Bonus Poker Plus and White Hot Aces), you’d go for the straight flush.
  1. BP: QQ.  SAB:  QJT.  Normally when the flush returns 5-for-1, a high pair is superior to all 3-card royal flush draws. But here we have the straight flush paying a bit more in SAB, so both KQJ and QJT so long as the fifth card is neither a flush nor straight penalty to the royal flush draw.
  1. BP: QJ8. SAB: AKQJ. This is the most counter-intuitive example I could find. The choices are a straight flush draw (QJ8) and a mixed-suit straight draw (AKQJ). What is so strange is that the game that pays more for the straight flush (SAB) goes for the straight draw, and the game that pays less for the straight flush draw (BP) goes for the straight.

The reason for this apparent anomaly is the value of two pair. Holding QJ8 and drawing two cards, there are 27 different combinations that yield two pair. Specifically, there are nine ways to draw another QJ, another nine to draw Q8, and another nine to draw J8. This means there are 27 combinations earning an additional five coins apiece because BP pays 2-for-1 for two pair and SAB pays 1-for-1. This adds 135 coins (27 times 5) in the direction of going for the straight flush.

Holding the same QJ8, there is only one way to end up with a straight flush, namely drawing both the nine and ten of diamonds. While this does pay 50 coins less in BP compared to SAB, it doesn’t totally make up for the 135 coins that are added due to the higher return for two pair.

  1. BP: KJ.  SAB: KJT9. When two pair returns 1-for-1, 4-card inside straights with two high cards are eligible to be held. When two pair returns 2-for-1, 4-card inside straights must contain at least three high cards to be eligible to be held.
  1. Both games, 77.  While you do tend to hold 4-card straights and inside straights more when two pair pays 1-for-1, in SAB the only time you hold a straight draw over a low pair is when the draw contains at least one high card, namely KQJT, QJT9, or JT98.
  1. BP: QJ. SAB: 754. The higher value of the straight flush and the general tendency to hold more straights makes the play on this hand differ between the games. Although there are straight draws from both QJ and 754, it’s much easier to end up with a straight drawing two cards than it is drawing three.
  1. Both games, K. A flush penalty to KT means you hold just the king in both of these games.
  1. BP: A35 SAP: A.  Because of the big value for four aces in SAB, ace-low 3-card straight flushes are never held in this game.
  1. BP: KJ. SAP: AKJT. In BP, two suited high cards are always superior to any inside straight with three high cards. In SAP, you hold the inside straight over AK, AQ, AJ, KQ, and KJ if there is a flush penalty in the hand. In this case, the 5♠ is the same suit as the KJ, so that’s the flush penalty.
  1. BP: QJ. SAP: A.  Even though QJ98 is eligible to be held in SAP (but not BP), the high value of quad aces makes holding the single ace superior.

So how did you do? Did you learn something?

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9 Comments

  1. Martin Moy Martin Moy
    February 7, 2023    

    Great quiz…some definite counter-inuitive example to think over…

  2. PK PK
    February 7, 2023    

    It would be nice if the dealt hands were before each explanation.

  3. Jersey Stu Jersey Stu
    February 8, 2023    

    Agreed.

  4. Bob Dancer Bob Dancer
    February 9, 2023    

    Martin, Jersey:

    What you suggest is an easy fix for next time. Thanx.

    Others, speak up. Are there other games you’d like compared in a similar way? The “teacher” in me finds these quizzes relatively easy to prepare if my readers find them useful.

    Bob

  5. R.F. R.F.
    February 9, 2023    

    How about a book/paper that explains 100 play BP?

  6. Dancing Bob Dancing Bob
    February 10, 2023    

    This definitely illustrates the dangers for the more casual player trying to play too many different games and /or going from one game to another too frequently.

  7. calwatch calwatch
    February 11, 2023    

    I agree, this is helpful. It would be nice to see how much the error would be playing differently from the “usual” way. Some of these have to do with fundamental relationships like the difference between games where two pair pay even money vs. those where two pair doubles up, while highlighting more quirky ones like #9. SAB feels closer to a flush-5 DDB or DB game and so may be the appropriate comparison.

  8. Boris Boris
    February 12, 2023    

    I also agree with the fact that playing too many different games is not recommended. Sometimes when I see how players are gambling along on 2 different machines with 2 different games (e.g. Joker Wild and Double Double Bonus). Happens often at the El Cortez in the coin section. Never figure out how a human brain is able to switch constantly from one game to a completely different one without making mistakes. This could be a tactic of the casino itself to confuse the players and encourage them to play worse.

    From Switzerland

    Boris

  9. Patrick Hardy Patrick Hardy
    February 15, 2023    

    Hey Bob

    Been a fan for years and have learned a lot.

    Question: how often does a total replay ( 5 card redeal) occur playing full pay 9/6 JOB.?
    I play at a casino that offers the full play but it seems like I’m getting 5 card trash hands at a really high rate.

    Thanks.
    pjh

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