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  • “Doctor, it hurts when I do THIS”

“Doctor, it hurts when I do THIS”

February 13, 2014 22 Comments Written by James Grosjean

“Well don’t do that!” the good doctor quips. I have always found this joke entertaining, not so much for the wisecracking humor, but for the subtle wisdom therein. Note that the doctor’s advice is not “I’ll prescribe some medical marijuana for you,” or “You need to learn to live with the pain,” or “You need a thicker skin.” Steeling oneself to endure pain is an unhealthy practice (pain is a message to you), and yet suffering card counters constantly prescribe this regimen to each other.

Here’s a sample of the discussion when card counters commiserate on their losing streaks:

  • “I have recorded back to back 5 figure loss days. … I will survive this. It will all work out in the end.”
  • “But it is the nature of the game. … dog lifting his leg to pee on you. The sooner you learn to deal with that, the better off you are. Maybe I will master it …”
  • “You have to get used to losing and just put out what’s called for like a machine.”
  • “I have to constantly consider re-sizing if/when I take big losses”
  • “I’m thinking about this again while I’m in the midst of a terrible losing streak. … assuming a non-replenish-able BR how many Maximum bets do you insist upon having? … So is 150 maximum bets sufficient? 175?”
  • “Losing 5 figures to variance, meh, done that.”
  • “How many -SD are you?”
  • “Still it would be helpful to run a sim to estimate how many SD to the left of center you are.” (!!!!!!)

So our prescriptions from the counter folk are to embrace the pain, resize bets, blame variance, and my personal favorite: use computer resources to answer the all-important “How unlucky was I?”

Resizing bets is the player’s equivalent of the casinos’ capping of games they consider vulnerable. Treasure Bay in Biloxi had a $10 max bet on one game for years, and Harrah’s St. Louis had a $5 max bet! Gee, if our edge isn’t big enough (or is negative), we’ll solve it by lowering the bet. Genius casino management, now mimicked by counters. (I wish Dilbert would cover casinos.)

Does a professional football team spend the entire week looking at their previous loss trying to figure out “how unlucky were we?” No, they spend the entire week correcting the mistakes that were made, as part of a single-minded approach to maximize their edge for the next game. Without overanalyzing or even knowing what their win probability is, they do the only productive thing—maximize that probability, whatever it is. They certainly don’t tell each other, “Half the teams lose every week; it’s the nature of the game. You just have to get used to losing, and the sooner you do that, the better off you’ll be.”

Counters love making excuses for their losses. “Nature of the game,” “variance,” “cheating,” hah! Thankfully, this loser’s mentality has never been shared by the members of my crew. After every session, we discuss the mistakes we made and how to correct them. We often develop new signals to improve our gametime communication for situations that triggered errors. We read, we practice, we scout. We constantly seek to increase our legal edge.

Every major loss leads to additional theoretical research, and even a $300 loss is irritating. I have produced a page of research material every four days for the past 15 years (not counting the pages of computer code!). Last year I offered some of this analysis for free on a subscriber website, and got only ONE email request from a player. Last month I gave away that same writeup to a player I met, and it helped his crew win nearly $1500 in a single session (way to go, kids!)

On the topic of teams running up the score, coach Ditka says, “If you don’t like it, don’t complain about it—stop it!” In one of my other all-time favorite sports quotes, Kevin Garnett summed up the nature of professionalism here: KevinGarnettOnBeingATrueProfessional

So if you’re a player on a losing streak and you come here looking for sympathy, I’ve got a quarter for you! (ba-dum-dum, ching!)

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22 Comments

  1. Brock W Brock W
    February 13, 2014    

    “Last year I offered some of this analysis for free on a subscriber website, and got only ONE email request from a player”
    Dear Mr. Grosjean:
    Please consider my application as your second request.
    Respectfully,
    Brock.

  2. LVA Jessica LVA Jessica
    February 13, 2014    

    Ha! Your comment about only one person requesting your free paper reminds me of the numerous occasions in which Anthony Curtis and/or I have been approached by a neighboring video poker player at some bar, inquiring about the strategy card to which we’re referring. We explain that it will teach them how to play each hand optimally, and how to recognize a good pay schedule, and so on. We explain that we publish these cards and we give our card to them, showing them how to read the beginner’s level and assuring them that it will improve their game and save them money. Invariably, the person will thank us kindly, and then slip it into their pocket/purse, where it no doubt will remain until they do their next load of laundry, when it will be transferred to the trash.

  3. Jeff Kuykendall Jeff Kuykendall
    February 13, 2014    

    Please consider this your third request. The information you relay via this column is invaluable. Thanks

  4. Nyne Nyne
    February 13, 2014    

    Request number 4, if you’re still feeling generous! It’s not an exaggeration to say your book has changed my life. Thanks for everything.

  5. SiMi SiMi
    February 14, 2014    

    I, too, would love to see the analysis you mentioned. I am working on a 2 man team at the moment.

    Thanks for a great blog!!

  6. Don Lee Don Lee
    February 14, 2014    

    Mr. Grosjean:
    Please send the analysis you mentioned to me too. Thanks in advance! Your contributions to AP community is amazing.

  7. G Man G Man
    February 15, 2014    

    “Last year I offered some of this analysis for free on a subscriber website, and got only ONE email request from a player”¨

    I would be very happy to get these analysis!
    Regards,

    G Man

  8. Kevin Lewis Kevin Lewis
    February 15, 2014    

    This entire topic is kind of stupid. The players you describe are trying to find explanations for their losses, not seeking sympathy. And even if they WERE seeking sympathy–so what? AP gambling can be a brutal business, and variance DOES, in fact, strike down some very capable players. Sneering at those who are becoming anxious as their bankrolls diminish probably means that it’s never happened to YOU. And comparing notes–even if you would call it “whining in the coffee shop”–is valuable. The possibility of cheating by the casino is ever-present and if a significant number of APs have a significant number of bad results over a significant period of time, this is a good cause for suspicion–but the lone player could never amass enough such information by himself.
    And yes, people do complain when bad luck threatens their livelihoods. If you know you’re playing at an advantage but are nonetheless at the far-left-hand side of the curve, you naturally feel a bit “singled out” even though it’s just the fickle finger of randomness pointing at you. You confess to being irritated at a $300 loss. So how would you feel if you were operating out of a $20K bankroll and you lost $14K of it in a weekend. Would you be a chin-up stoic and just drink your coffee without mentioning it?
    I guarantee, that even had such a person purchased every single research paper you’ve ever written and spent six hours a day absorbing their mighty wisdom, that wouldn’t have helped a bit when during that weekend, it was the dealer who got dealt all the naturals when the deck was +16 true and the $500 bets were out there. Not a bit.
    “He jests at scars that never felt a wound”–Romeo

  9. Jerry McEwen Jerry McEwen
    February 18, 2014    

    Please send me your analysis. I am a retired Economic Analyst who plays Blackjack primarily and I am always trying to improve my skills. Thank you very much.

  10. Salamander Salamander
    February 27, 2014    

    I’ll take you up on the offer for the quarter. Can you throw in a copy of the analysis?

  11. Most Interesting Man Most Interesting Man
    March 1, 2014    

    I really like this blog post as it strikes close to home for me. I find many parallels between advantage play and my professional career. I’ve supercharged my career with lessons learned in the casino, and I have upped my game in the casino from lessons learned at “work.” This post is all about continuous improvement, or Kaizen, as the Sensei who came to visit my team says. Every single defect in your process is a reason to pull the andon cord–stop the line–and analyze the current state to weed out problems in your game. Measuring how unlucky you are does nothing for you. Zero tolerance for defects in your game and the ability to look back to analyze and correct issues is what and to do so iteratively and continuously is what makes a difference.

  12. Most Interesting Man Most Interesting Man
    March 1, 2014    

    Proofreading fail in the last line :(((

  13. KewlJ KewlJ
    March 9, 2014    

    If you are going to quote word for word, why not specify who it is you are attempting to belittle, James?

    Obviously the first two quotes are taken from my post of one week earlier on BJ21 where I shared my recent experience of back to back 5 figure loss days for the first time in my career. I was hardly commiserating. Just sharing my experiences both positive and negative as I have done throughout my career. What is your issue with that?

  14. eric eric
    March 10, 2014    

    Hi James:

    I too would be interested in various game analysis results/

    Thanks

  15. RaspberryCheeseBlintz RaspberryCheeseBlintz
    March 10, 2014    

    Sure didn’t see this offer on any of the sites, but would love to take a look at the analysis SiVooPlay.

  16. ZenMaster_Flash ZenMaster_Flash
    March 12, 2014    

    Please send it.

  17. Aaron O'Rourke Aaron O'Rourke
    March 12, 2014    

    I’m surprised at how prickly this column is. First, obviously it is completely possible to lose massive amounts multiple sessions in a row while playing perfectly. B, almost as obviously, dropping unit size is almost always a function of bankroll management for a pro, so by mocking this, you’re essentially telling counters to suck it up and disregard Kelly or whatever BR management system they use, which would lead to disaster.

    Anyway, please count me in too for the analysis.

  18. Rob Rob
    March 16, 2014    

    I would like to request for a copy of the analysis too. I would like to learn more as the journey for me has just started.

    Merci.

  19. Don Lee Don Lee
    April 3, 2014    

    Mr. Grosjean, are you done with this blog site?

  20. J J
    May 27, 2014    

    May I please have a copy of the analysis, too? Thank you.

  21. Joss Joss
    October 9, 2014    

    Some of the commenters seem to be missing the point. It’s not that card counters should be able to avoid big losses and their repercussions, it’s that they can’t. The resources spent coping with those losses could be better spent elsewhere, such as finding ways to play with a larger edge.

  22. C C
    May 22, 2023    

    Dear Mr Grosjean

    I appreciate I am late to the party, but would I be able to request a copy of your analysis as well? I have only just started out on my journey and would like to give it the best chance of success possible.

    Many thanks

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