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It All Adds Up

January 5, 2021 7 Comments Written by Bob Dancer

A friend, Jake Jacobs, posted in passing on a Facebook page recently that he’d been active in car rallyes in the Chicago area way back when. Some of them were time-speed-distance events where you were timed and crossing a checkpoint 30 seconds early was as bad as 30 seconds late — but both were better than 40 seconds either way.

The other type of rallye was called a gimmick rallye, where time was not a factor, although you had to finish by such-and-such a time because that’s when awards were passed out. You were scored on the basis of your answers to questions, such as, “What is the name of the first street you pass on the right?” or, “How many streetlights do you pass between xxx and yyy?” There was always some sort of trick in the rules leading many participants to get the wrong answer.

I participated in very similar rallyes in Southern California. How they got from Chicago to Los Angeles (or went the other way), I don’t know. Why am I talking about these rallyes today? Because doing well on these rallyes required scouring and deciphering the Rallye Rules (sometimes called General Instructions, or something similar), and identifying what was unusual about them. 

Today, when I read rules for promotions, I look at them with the same eyes. Often the person in charge of creating the rules “borrows” the rules from a similar (or not so similar) past promotion and makes changes where he thinks it necessary — but doesn’t realize everything that should be changed, or why a particular phrasing opens up an entire new avenue for players exploiting this promotion.

For example, in gimmick car rallyes, assume that STOP indicates a regular octagonal stop sign. Simple enough. But consider:

1. Does it have to be controlling you? That is, if an octagonal sign is on a side street, controlling traffic on that street, is it still a STOP according to the rules?

2. Same as before, except possibly the side street has been excluded (perhaps it’s an unpaved or private road — perhaps it’s on the left and only side streets on the right count — perhaps there’s no name on the side street and only named streets count — perhaps the street name has been excluded for one reason or another — whatever.)

3. Sometimes STOP might be defined to be the intersection rather than the sign, so the instruction to turn right after STOP puts you on a different street if you turn after the sign rather than if you turn after the intersection. A question (perhaps, “What is the name of the first xxx you come to?”) will be devised to determine what street you are on.

4. Sometimes there are priorities of rules, and the Rallye Rules define a STOP in one way, but the Special Notes (or whatever they are called this time) include something that overrides the Rallye Rules.

This list isn’t meant to be all-inclusive, but you probably get the idea. So how does this relate to casino promotions?

Starting and ending times are important. At one casino, a big point multiplier was in effect during the casino day, 3:00 a.m. through 2:59 a.m. the following day, but another promotion took effect at midnight. That gave you three hours of double dipping if you caught it and were willing to argue with the booth that the rules didn’t say what they thought they said. Most players didn’t. Most players don’t study the rules, or don’t study them with an eye towards finding mistakes. And I had to pick my spot carefully because after I took advantage of this double dipping once, it would go away.

Another example was at a casino where slots often have a 12x multiplier, but video poker never exceeds 2x points. This can make sense if their slots are really, really tight, and even with 12x points, at 0.30% per point, the house has a huge edge. But one promotion just said 12x points, without clarifying slot machines only. Smart players took cell phone pictures of the rules in case the casino wanted to deny the wording later, and then played like hell during the promotion. When it was over, they went up to the club booth and demanded their 12x points on video poker. Different executives got involved, and people got fired, but the wording was honored. In one such case, the wording was honored but the players who took advantage of it were kicked out.

Another example was “all royal flushes for maximum coins quarters and higher” receive a $1,000 bonus during such and such a time period. The casino intended natural royal flushes only, but savvy players argued (after they hit one) that a “royal flush with deuce(s)” would qualify because it said, “all royal flushes.” They were paid and the rules were changed.

In the early days of Triple Play, promotions weren’t explicit about differentiating between lines played and games. So, a “15-coin jackpot” could be a dealt pair of jacks, which gave you five coins for each of the three lines.

A casino-wide jackpot where all machines being played are equally eligible had players playing five separate machines, one penny at a time. One of them won, and thereafter the rules were changed to state that to be eligible, players must have $1 in coin-in in their machine the minute prior to the drawing. 

Players with a clue never asked for clarification before the promotion. If they did, the casino managers would realize their mistake and fix it before it could be exploited.

My training in being a contestant or a rallyemaster in gimmick rallyes prepared me for exploiting these kinds of things. Someone who studied law, or perhaps computer programming, would be better at figuring these things out than somebody who majored in something that didn’t require such precise differentiation.

While I’m not directly using my degrees in Economics to play video poker, the way of thinking, the study of probability and statistics, and the willingness to study hard all matter. My study of other gambling games has helped as well. Each of you have to mine your past to figure out what you have done previously that will help you today. And if you don’t have a resume that helps, you need to work harder to compete. It’s never too late to begin studying. 

When I find something like the difference between a promotion starting at midnight or at 3 a.m., I do not worry, “What about the people who don’t have the experience or study habits to figure this stuff out?” In a casino, I’m out for number one. I may write about such a promotion after it’s already dead and gone, which can be useful to others because promotions do sometimes repeat, but in real time I’m not worried about you. You’re on your own.

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7 Comments

  1. Burt Burt
    January 5, 2021    

    Reminds me of when a local catholic priest entered a large poker tournament in Las Vegas and won it several years back. The local TV station interviewed him when he returned and the reporter asked him if he had asked God to help him play good in the tournament. The priest said he had done that before but God told him that whenever he entered a casino he was on his on.

  2. Dapper Dave K. Dapper Dave K.
    January 5, 2021    

    Great story. Here’s a perfect example of taking advantage of imprecise wording:

    About 6 or 7 years ago, I’m at Lagasse Stadium on an NFL Sunday, doing their in-game betting thing. It’s the Ravens against I forget who. I’ve probably placed 30 $5 bets over the course of the game and I’m somewhere close to breakeven and having a great time.

    The game is tied with about 5 seconds left and the other team just punted from deep in their own end, giving the Ravens the ball at midfield. They line up for a miracle 67-yard, game-winning field goal. The bet pops up: “Will the next field goal be good or no good?”. It’s a near-impossible kick, but they’re offering about 10 to 1 odds on it, so I figure, why not. I throw $5 on it, thinking, if they make the kick and all the Ravens fans in the bar are celebrating, I get to celebrate too.

    After a timeout to think it over, the Ravens change their minds and decide to kneel down, kill the clock, and take their chances in overtime.

    Overtime goes on for a while, back and forth, and finally the Ravens kick a chip-shot 25 yard FG to win.
    I go up to the manager and say, hey, you know, my 10-1 bet was for the NEXT field goal attempt. It didn’t say anything about having to be the 67-yarder, or about having to come on the next play. The 25-yard game-winner WAS the next field goal attempt, and it was good, so I should get my 10-1 payout.

    We went back and forth for a while, he made some phone calls, and he actually agreed with me. But since all the betting is controlled on the app by Cantor Gaming, there was nothing he could do override it.

    I wrote a letter to Gaming Control, got a quick response from a helpful agent who contacted the Venetian, and got a check in the mail from the Venetian about a month later.

  3. Goose Goose
    January 6, 2021    

    That one seems pretty clear cut. No question it should’ve been paid. Good for you for pursuing it.

  4. John John
    January 6, 2021    

    I am reminded of the time we went to one of those bottom-less brunches and the menu said “Unlimited Champagne”. When the waiter tried to serve us a California sparkling wine, I said the menu states Champagne with a capital C indicating a proper name, meaning a sparkling wine from the Champagne region of France and that’s what I expected.

    As my wife and friends looked mortified I continued the discussion with a manager who finally relented and served us Champagne on the promise that if anyone asked it wasn’t free. They probably lost several hundred dollars on there our $39 brunches that day. The menus were reword the next time I stopped in.

  5. QZ QZ
    January 7, 2021    

    Several years ago, I flew to MS for a promotion. It paid a bonus ($250 if I recall correctly) on any W2-G. The rules forbid video poker. No problem…high bets on multi-card keno provided a huge edge. The casino tried to claim that keno was not allowed because it was on the same physical machine as video poker. The whole mess went to gaming and the casino lost. But since I was not sure I would win, I did not play the promo as hard as I would have. I basically played until I was not willing to bet more that I would win the case. I was gambling on winning the case, since the casino did not pay the bonus for any of the jackpots at the time I was playing, only after losing the case.
    This was no typo. They either wanted people to play the promo on Keno and then get no promised bonus or the person who wrote the rules is grossly incompetent.

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    February 1, 2021    

    Is 1% a big difference?

  7. Michael Michael
    September 6, 2021    

    Recently, here in Biloxi,MS, in an unnamed casino, someone in the control room accidentally set all the video poker machines to pay the same extra points as the slot palayers were getting. It has not happened since. So, after putting $4,000 through the machines, I got credit for putting $12,000 through, and the points to go with it. I also got a royal that night. Got another royal two days later. And a week after that, another royal. All on the same machine. They have likely corrected all their mistakes, as there has not been the same screw up on video poker points since.

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