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  1. ken mullen
    October 17, 2018

    I can’t figure where 45ww doesn’t =57ww:both seem to result in a 7,6,5,15,14 payout.

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    • Joe Mama
      October 20, 2018

      If you get WW45 and WW57 on the same hand, you have a SF. WW45 and WW57 work out to the same value when I plug into WinPoker. I believe this should have been W45<W57.

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      • Bob Dancer
        October 21, 2018

        Correct. I meant W45 < W57.

        WW45 and WW57 do indeed have identical values.

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  2. sondjata
    October 17, 2018

    Question for Mr. Dancer;

    So, curiosity got the better of me and I sat at a Double Bonus Poker machine. The “extra” pays for the 4 of a kinds for various hands interested me over 9/6 JOB. However; I notice that you give up the pay for the two pair to get that. Giving that up seems to make the game far more…”lossy” since after JOB, the two pair is the most frequent paying hand (particularly that which gets your more than you bet).

    According to the Wiz, 4 of a kinds happen roughly 2.8 times per 1000 hands.

    To get the strategy down, I’ve been playing an IOS version of DBP and noticed that these stats have not held up under long play (though so far they have under actual casino play). So the questions:

    1) Understanding that VP under most circumstances is a losing game in the long run sans promotions and player card benefits, is it common to run through 1600 credits having never been up OR is my play, thus far THAT BAD?

    2) In the IOS game I see what appears to me as an inordinate number of 3 of a kinds (supposedly 72/1k hands) vs. 4 of a kinds. (I haven’t seen a straight flush or royal) but I don’t expect to with the time in. Does that sound “normal”? Again assuming non “total idiot play”.

    3) Lastly, given this is a losing game and assuming you’re not going for membership points and the like, is it in the player’s interest to play past the point where getting the lowest pay 4 of a kind cannot get them even? Seems to me that if you “fall off” by an amount that nothing but a statistical anomaly would get your money back there is no point (other than entertainment value I suppose) to continue playing.

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    • LC Larry
      October 18, 2018

      Still sounds like short term bad variance.

      I had some this past Friday. Playing JoB Spin Poker for 5.5 hours, not one dealt 3oak pull the 4th out. And that’s drawing 6 cards! I estimate I had been dealt the trips well over 75 times and the probability of drawing the quad card is 47/6, or 1 in 7.8333333333. Then on Sunday, I nailed 3 of them back to back to back.

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      • Liz
        October 18, 2018

        Gambling is not a sure thing, that’s why they call it gambling. You always have variance from the average. For full pay double bonus with no sticky buttons play mistakes the regular quad (fives through kings) average cycle is 622 hands. At 4 times that (2,488 hands) you have about a 95% chance of getting somewhere between zero and 8 regular quads. At 9 times that (5,598 hands) you have about a 95% chance of getting somewhere between 3 and 15 regular quads. At 16 times that (9,952 hands) you have about a 95% chance of getting somewhere between 8 and 24 regular quads. And so it goes. Just remember, gambling is not a sure thing, it is always a gamble. The more you play the less likely you are to get an average result, as a general rule half of gamblers will get less than average while the other half will get more than average.

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