{"id":1078,"date":"2014-01-21T22:04:05","date_gmt":"2014-01-21T22:04:05","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/gwae.apps-1and1.com\/?p=1078"},"modified":"2014-01-21T22:04:05","modified_gmt":"2014-01-21T22:04:05","slug":"some-more-fine-points-of-85-bonus-poker","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.lasvegasadvisor.com\/gambling-with-an-edge\/some-more-fine-points-of-85-bonus-poker\/","title":{"rendered":"Some More Fine Points of 8\/5 Bonus Poker"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>In last week&#8217;s column, I addressed hands which contained both a Q of one suit and <b><i>JT7<\/i><\/b>, <b><i>J97<\/i><\/b>, or <b><i>J87<\/i><\/b> of another suit &#8212; where the correct play depended on the fifth card in the hand. In today&#8217;s column, I will discuss some additional hands in that same game.<\/p>\n<p>Consider a K of one suit and a <b><i>JT7<\/i><\/b>, <b><i>J97<\/i><\/b>, or a <b><i>J87<\/i><\/b> of another. We know that KJ is considerably less valuable than QJ (because of the number of potential straights), so after last week&#8217;s exercise it shouldn&#8217;t surprise us that we usually prefer the J-high 3-card straight flush to the KJ.<!--more--><\/p>\n<p>In the Dancer\/Daily strategy for 8\/5 Bonus (and also in the Dancer\/Daily <b><i>Winner&#8217;s Guide to Jacks or Better<\/i><\/b>), we say these 3-card straight flushes are better with the following caveat:<\/p>\n<p>(&lt; KJ when {<b><i>JT7<\/i><\/b> with 8p}, {<b><i>J97<\/i><\/b> with 8p} or {<b><i>J87<\/i><\/b> with 9p or Tp}). Let&#8217;s examine what that means:<\/p>\n<p>With respect to K<strong>JT7<\/strong>, assuming you&#8217;re a 5-coin dollar player:<\/p>\n<p>If the fifth card is a 2, 3, 4, 5, or 6, <strong>JT7<\/strong> is the better play by 7.3\u00a2<\/p>\n<p>If the fifth card is an 8, KJ is the better play by 0.2\u00a2<\/p>\n<p>If the fifth card is a 9, <strong>JT7<\/strong> is the better play by 1.2\u00a2<\/p>\n<p>If the fifth card is either suited with the <strong>JT7<\/strong>, forms any pair, or is an A or Q, the correct play is neither KJ nor JT7.<\/p>\n<p>(If you wish to conclude that it&#8217;s more sensible to NEVER play KJ on these hands, because there is only one exception and that is worth 0.2\u00a2, I wouldn&#8217;t blame you.)<\/p>\n<p>For K with <strong>J97<\/strong>, the only time you hold KJ is when there is an 8 in the hand, and then the KJ is worth 1.2\u00a2 more.<\/p>\n<p>For K with <strong>J87<\/strong>, the two exceptions are with a T penalty (making KJ worth 0.2\u00a2 more) or a 9 penalty (making KJ worth 1.2\u00a2 more).<\/p>\n<p>The way I personally remember the differences among these three hands is that I only hold KJ when there is both a straight penalty to the 3-card straight flush AND there&#8217;s an 8 in the hand.) The rule covers the situation where there is an 8 penalty and it also covers the case where it&#8217;s a <b><i>J87<\/i><\/b> and the straight penalty is a 9 or T. If your mind can deal with a compound rule where &#8220;8 in the hand&#8221; can mean one of two different things, this simplification might work for you also.<\/p>\n<p>Another type of hand begins with <b><i>KT<\/i><\/b>. In Jacks or Better, with no higher valued combination in the hand, you hold both cards &#8212; unless the hand also contains both a flush penalty and a 9 penalty. In Bonus Poker, the flush penalty by itself is sufficient to make the proper play just the K. Assuming there is no A, Q, or J in the hand, holding the K by itself when there&#8217;s a flush penalty is worth 2.4\u00a2 more than holding the <b><i>KT<\/i><\/b>. If there is also a 9 present in the hand, the error from holding <b><i>KT<\/i><\/b> rather than just the K would be 3.9\u00a2. Players who play 9\/6 Jacks or Better strategy perfectly wouldn&#8217;t succumb to this last error. However, the players who take the approach that 9\/6 Jacks or Better is &#8220;close enough&#8221; to 8\/5 Bonus usually don&#8217;t REALLY know Jacks or Better strategy perfectly. And in 9\/6 Jacks or Better, most of those players would erroneously hold <b><i>KT<\/i><\/b> from <b><i>KT3<\/i><\/b>94.<\/p>\n<p>The last group of combinations I want to talk about are 3-card straight flushes with no high cards and no insides &#8212; namely <b><i>345<\/i><\/b>, <b><i>456<\/i><\/b>, <b><i>567<\/i><\/b>, <b><i>678<\/i><\/b>, <b><i>789<\/i><\/b>, and <b><i>89T<\/i><\/b>. In 9\/6 Jacks or Better, these combinations are ALWAYS superior to <b><i>AK<\/i><\/b>, <b><i>AQ<\/i><\/b>, and <b><i>AJ<\/i><\/b> (collectively called <b><i>AH<\/i><\/b> in the Dancer\/Daily notation). In 8\/5 Bonus, these combinations have a lower value because the flush only pays 5-for-1 rather than the 6-for-1 it pays in 9\/6 Jacks.<\/p>\n<p>The (slightly simplified) rule is to usually hold these 3-card straight flush combinations in preference to AH except when they have a straight penalty. There are two ways for this to happen.<\/p>\n<p>With <b><i>345<\/i><\/b>, every <b><i>AH<\/i><\/b> combination provides a straight penalty for the <b><i>345<\/i><\/b> because the A interferes with chances for an A2345 straight, so you hold the <b><i>AH<\/i><\/b>. For <b><i>789<\/i><\/b>, the J in <b><i>AJ<\/i><\/b> provides a straight penalty, so you hold the <b><i>AJ<\/i><\/b> in that case. Whenever such a straight penalty occurs, holding <b><i>AH<\/i><\/b> is preferred by 1.2\u00a2.<\/p>\n<p>The reason I said &#8220;slightly simplified&#8221; is because of the hand <b><i>AQ<\/i><\/b> &#8220;89T&#8221;. In this case, the Q definitely is a straight penalty to the <b><i>89T<\/i><\/b>, but this is offset somewhat by the fact that the T is also a straight penalty to the <b><i>AQ<\/i><\/b>. It turns out that you should hold <b><i>89T<\/i><\/b> by 0.0003\u00a2 on this hand that occurs once every 216,580 hands. Even to me, this is close enough that it doesn&#8217;t matter what you do. I do, however, personally hold <b><i>89T<\/i><\/b> when it does happen.<\/p>\n<p>There are other 8\/5 Bonus &#8220;problem hands&#8221; worth discussing. 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In today&#8217;s column, I will discuss some additional hands in that same game. 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