{"id":123268,"date":"2022-09-15T16:41:47","date_gmt":"2022-09-15T23:41:47","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.lasvegasadvisor.com\/gambling-with-an-edge\/?page_id=123268"},"modified":"2024-01-25T11:54:56","modified_gmt":"2024-01-25T19:54:56","slug":"blackjack-betting-camouflage","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.lasvegasadvisor.com\/gambling-with-an-edge\/blackjack-betting-camouflage\/","title":{"rendered":"Blackjack Betting Camouflage"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<h4>The &#8220;Up and Down&#8221; Betting System For Card Counting Camouflage<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>by Arnold Snyder<br>\u00a9 1995 Arnold Snyder<br>[From\u00a0<em>Card Player<\/em>, February 1995]<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Question from a Reader:<\/strong>&nbsp; What do you think of a betting strategy for card counting where you always come off the top of the shoe with a midsize bet, say $25, then cut back to smaller bets, say $20, then $10 and even $5 as the count goes down, but raise up to $50 and then $100 as the count goes positive? I call this my \u201cUp &amp; Down\u201d card counting betting system.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>All the books I\u2019ve read \u2014 and I think I\u2019ve read them all \u2014 say that you should always come off the top of the shoe with your low bet. I find I can get away with a much bigger spread with card counting if I come off the top with a midsize bet, then spread up or down with the count. I have been winning more since I started playing this way, but a card counter friend tells me I have just been lucky, and that this \u201cUp &amp; Down\u201d betting strategy is unwise.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Answer:<\/strong>&nbsp; In order to do a really thorough analysis of your strategy, I\u2019d need a few more facts \u2014 the number of decks in play, the shuffle point, the rules, the card counting system you\u2019re using, and the exact count parameters you use to alter your bet size. With all the facts, this would be pretty easy to set up for a computer simulation.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I can give you some general guidelines, however. The books all tell you to come off the top with your minimum bet, because right off the top of the shoe the house has the advantage. Any time the house has the advantage, you\u2019d prefer to bet nothing. This is why many card counters who play against shoes table hop. They literally bet nothing when the count is negative.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Sometimes, conditions are not favorable for table-hopping, and some players \u2014 due to factors like poor eyesight or less physical stamina \u2014 find that table-hopping is simply not a practical approach to beating the game. In this case, you do need a more substantial betting spread to beat a shoe game than you would need to beat a single or double-decker.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>But, let\u2019s say you\u2019re playing in a very paranoid casino, where all you can get away with is a 1-to-4 spread, say $25 to $100. You know if you try to spread from $5 to $100, you\u2019ll set off warning bells in the pit, and the heat will come down.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>However, you discover that if you come off the top of the shoe with $25, you set off no warning bells if you later spread down to $5, even if you sometimes later spread up to $100. Is this a preferable betting strategy to the $25-$100 strategy?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Absolutely. In fact, a $25-$100 betting strategy would barely break even in many shoe games. The $5-$100 strategy \u2014 even if you come off the top with $25 \u2014 is a substantially more profitable method of attack for any card counter in a blackjack game.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Your \u201cUp &amp; Down\u201d method of spreading from $5 to $100 is substantially less profitable than an ideal $5-$100 betting strategy, in which you would come off the top with $5, and only bet more when the advantage goes positive. So, although your up &amp; down betting gets you a 1-to-20 spread, it\u2019s not as powerful as a 1-to-20 spread should or could be, if applied the way the books tell you to bet.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This is the real world, however, and all card counters have to do what they can to camouflage their play. Your \u201cup &amp; down\u201d betting strategy is an excellent form of camouflage, since coming off the top of a shoe with anything other than a low bet is rarely done by card counters. Hey, they\u2019ve all read the same books! As a form of camouflage, up &amp; down betting is not an unintelligent method of getting a profitable spread in an otherwise tough game.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>One thing you could do to increase your advantage would be to come off the top with $25, but quickly spread down to $5 or $10, unless the advantage goes to your favor. I.e., don\u2019t just bet $25 any time the count is 0, spreading down only on negatives, as you seem to indicate is your style. After coming off the top with your $25, be aware that unless the count goes up considerably, you have too much money on the table.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Incidentally, you are not the first card counter to use this type of up &amp; down betting strategy. I\u2019ve known many counters over the years who have used variations on this. The late Paul Keen, writing under his pen name, Suzanne Le Counte, described his variation on this style of camouflage betting in&nbsp;<em>Blackjack Forum<\/em>&nbsp;a few years ago.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Paul primarily played single-deck games in Las Vegas. He would always come off the top with a quarter, then would spread down to two nickels, or up to two quarters, according to the count. Paul played this $10-$50 spread in Las Vegas one-deckers for many years, with very little heat, while players spreading $5-$25 were getting barred all around him.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>More than any other factor, card counters are given away by their betting strategies. Any betting camouflage you can pull off successfully will add longevity to your career. The problem with most betting camouflage for card counting is that it is very costly, and you will often risk completely eliminating your advantage over the house if you don\u2019t know what you\u2019re doing.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>A less intelligent variation on \u201cup &amp; down\u201d betting is simply \u201cdown\u201d betting according to the count. I.e., you always come off the top with your high bet, and spread down if the count goes down, but leave your bet the same if the count goes up. This type of betting strategy would probably buy you untold hours of play in most any casino, but unfortunately, you\u2019re unlikely to be able to beat most shoe games with such an approach.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Up &amp; down betting is a more sensible and powerful method of attack. 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