{"id":279,"date":"2012-09-29T19:42:00","date_gmt":"2012-09-29T19:42:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/gwae.apps-1and1.com\/do-casinos-chea"},"modified":"2016-06-30T21:57:06","modified_gmt":"2016-06-30T21:57:06","slug":"do-casinos-chea","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.lasvegasadvisor.com\/gambling-with-an-edge\/do-casinos-chea\/","title":{"rendered":"Do casinos cheat?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Like the change of seasons, every 3 months or so a post pops up on the blackjack boards; I think the casino is cheating. This dealer was dealing seconds. This latest one really caught my attention:<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p><i>\u00a0&#8220;i try to usually avoid male dealers, &#8230; he fit all the criteria. male, middle-aged and had glasses.&#8221;<\/i><br \/>\n<i><br \/>\n<\/i><i>&#8220;90% of the male dealers i&#8217;ve experienced, have been either 2nd dealers or\u00a0preferential\u00a0shufflers. in shoe games, you have to watch out for shoes with a taller face.&#8221;<\/i><\/p>\n<p>Unless this guy lives in Laos I would bet a LOT of money that this isn&#8217;t true. Actually, if he does live in Laos I would bet you would not be able to find a dealer that was male, middle-aged, and wore glasses. I suspect this poster also worries that the government is trying to plant a microchip in his head, and black helicopters follow him whenever he goes outside. But okay, let&#8217;s talk about cheating.<\/p>\n<p>First &#8211; preferential shuffling. Preferential shuffling is the act of shuffling the deck when the count goes positive, and the player has an advantage. If the count goes positive they shuffle, and if the count goes negative they keep dealing. This is fairly common in casinos that deal hand-held games, not as a matter of course, but done to players they suspect are counting cards. It is an easy way to get a card counter to leave without any back off or hassle. <b>It is clearly cheating.<\/b>\u00a0In Nevada the cheating law is NRS 465:<\/p>\n<p>NRS\u00a0465.015\u00a0\u00a0Definitions.\u00a0\u00a0As used in this chapter:<\/p>\n<p>1. \u00a0\u201cCheat\u201d means to alter the elements of chance, method of selection or criteria which determine:<\/p>\n<p>(a) The result of a game;<\/p>\n<p>(b) The amount or frequency of payment in a game;<\/p>\n<p>(c) The value of a wagering instrument; or<\/p>\n<p>(d) The value of a wagering credit.<\/p>\n<div class=\"SectBody\" style=\"font-size: 10pt; line-height: 10pt; margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;\"><\/div>\n<p>You can see that shuffling when the count is positive does &#8220;alter the element of chance&#8230;&#8221; etc. No casino has ever been charged for this. It is one of those laws that is never enforced. \u00a0Just as under this law it is illegal every time a baccarat writes down the outcome of the hands on the cards the\u00a0casino\u00a0provides.<\/p>\n<p>NRS\u00a0465.075\u00a0\u00a0Use or possession of device to obtain advantage at playing game in licensed gaming establishment.<\/p>\n<p>1. \u00a0It is unlawful for any person to use, possess with the intent to use or assist another person in using or possessing with the intent to use any computerized, electronic, electrical or mechanical device which is designed, constructed, altered or programmed to obtain an advantage at playing any game in a licensed gaming establishment, including, without limitation, a device that:<\/p>\n<p>(a) Projects the outcome of the game;<\/p>\n<p>(b) Keeps track of cards played or cards prepared for play;<\/p>\n<p>(c) Analyzes the probability of the occurrence of an event relating to a game; or<\/p>\n<p>(d) Analyzes the strategy for playing or betting to be used in the game,<\/p>\n<p>\u00ca\u00a0except as may be made available as part of an approved game or otherwise permitted by the Commission.<\/p>\n<p>2. \u00a0As used in this section, \u201cadvantage\u201d means a benefit obtained by one or more participants in a game through information or knowledge that is not made available as part of the game as approved by the Board or Commission.<\/p>\n<p>A pencil is a device that keeps track of cards. Another law that is never enforced. \u00a0Why don&#8217;t some lawyers file a class action suit on behalf of all the players who lost money due to preferential shuffling? I think they will tell you that it would be a very, very long, and expensive case, and they have better things to do with their time.<\/p>\n<p>What about &#8220;<b>real&#8221;\u00a0<\/b>cheating. Cheating that is not preferential shuffling? Write this down, tape it to your bathroom mirror, and repeat it every day before you go out.<\/p>\n<h3>The odds of you being cheated at a shoe game in the U.S. are lower than the odds of you being hit by lightning.<\/h3>\n<p>Yes, we have all heard about the shoe with a prism in it that can deal seconds, and you can see one in a casino. It is in a display case at Barona Casino along with a bunch of \u00a0other cheating equipment. Now if you decide to play at your local VFW Hall or at a Filipino BBQ then you are on your own. (Although when I had games at Filipino BBQs they were 100% on the square.) But in a casino? Fugedaboutit!<\/p>\n<p>What about a dealing seconds in a hand held game? \u00a0I ran into this a\u00a0handful\u00a0of times, but all of them were about 30 years ago. In fact there were 2 notorious hole-card game on the strip in Vegas where the guy would deliberately flash his hole card and then deal seconds to bust you out. But again &#8211; 30 years ago. You do need to be more careful on hand-held game, but forget about looking for a dead thumb or any of that other stuff. If the guy is good you are never going to see it. Cheating like this is really,\u00a0really\u00a0rare in the US, and it is not casino policy. This is some rogue dealer doing it on his own. If you are worried about it then just avoid hand-held games.<\/p>\n<p>The most common form of cheating I have experienced is the &#8220;short shoe.&#8221; You start counting a shoe, and the count starts zooming up. You get to the cut card and the shoe ends at +25. You track the shuffle, and cut the big cards to the front, and the count zooms up, and you get to the cut card and again the count is +25. Now you&#8217;re really suspicious so you flat bet the minimum, and you get to the cut card again, and the count is +25. Now what do you do? In my case I turn around and head to the next casino because I have <b><u>never<\/u><\/b>, ever seen this in the US. I saw it in Belgium, and Russia, and Korea, but never in the US.<\/p>\n<p>Now the important part, the stories. After all, why do we play this game if not for the stories?<\/p>\n<p>There was an illegal casino in Seoul. It was in a high-rise office building across the Han river from our hangout in Itaewon. I had a counter friend named Malcolm from New Zealand who decided to check it out. Malcolm looked, and sounded like Col. Winchester in MASH, and was fearless. (One time at the Sands in Vegas a boss was sweating his game. Malcolm looked him in the eye, and said, &#8220;What are you staring at fuck wit?&#8221; The boss blanched, and walked away.) So Malcolm goes into this illegal casino. There are 3 or 4 tables and no players. He plays a few shoes, loses a few thousand dollars, and jumps up and starts yelling at the owner. &#8220;You dirty bastard, this is a short shoe. There are cards missing in that shoe.&#8221; The owner starts\u00a0apologizing\u00a0 says there must be some mistake, offers to get new cards, and spread the new decks to show Malcolm all the cards are there. \u00a0Malcolm says, &#8220;I want my $3,500 back that I lost.&#8221; <u>a<\/u><b><u>nd the guy gave it to him!<\/u> <\/b>Malcolm then played with the new cards, and won about $6,000! When I went to play this casino the cards were fine, but after a few shoes where I had won some money they brought in new cards. The dealer was about to start shuffling them without spreading them and I stopped her. &#8220;Spread the decks so I can see the cards.&#8221; She started to fan them out and we see, Ace, 2, 3, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5. &#8220;Oh, sorry, big mistake. I don&#8217;t know how that happen.&#8221; If you click the interview link on the right, and read the Darryl Purpose interview you will find a story about a casino in Korea that Darryl played where they didn&#8217;t have money to pay him. This is the same casino. \u00a0So here we have a casino that was known to cheat, didn&#8217;t have enough money to pay right away, and yet everyone I know made money there. (See post about conventional wisdom.)<\/p>\n<p>What about the idea that casinos don&#8217;t cheat because they would lose their license? Horseshit!.<\/p>\n<h3>A casino has less chance of losing their license for cheating than you have of being cheated.<\/h3>\n<p>About 10 years ago I heard from a very well known and respected blackjack authority (a name every reader here would recognize) that there was a casino in Vegas that was shorting shoes. At the time I was working on a show for Travel Channel called Cheaters Beware. As part of the show we were able to interview some gaming agents, and the head of gaming enforcement. The producer of the show asked the head of\u00a0enforcement\u00a0what would happen if this were true. He said, &#8220;Oh, we would take that very seriously. The first thing we would do is send them a letter stating that this had been reported.&#8221; Yeah, with crack detective work like that I&#8217;m sure you catch a lot of casino cheating.<\/p>\n<p>I do know a couple of dealers who stole from the casinos. One told me he did cheat players to make up for the money he was dumping off to his agents, the other said he never did because it meant he was twice as likely to be caught. I think the fact that the first guy dealt in small clubs had something to do with his need to make up the shortfall. I did know one guy who just cheated the players up in Reno. He was never asked to do it, and never paid to do it. He was a magician, and I guess just did it to be better liked by the bosses. He seems to regret it now. All of these cases were 25+ years ago. One of my favorite stories from back them was a guy surveillance saw dealing seconds. They called gaming, and started watching the guy. It appeared he was dealing seconds for no rhyme or reason. They watched him for a week, and finally busted him. They got him in the back room, and asked what the hell he was doing? His answer &#8211; &#8220;practicing.&#8221; Just as an aside &#8211; every dealer I heard about back then that was fired for stealing, the next time I saw them they were dealing at Binion&#8217;s. I guess the Binion&#8217;s figured no one would be crazy enough to steal from them.<\/p>\n<p>Don&#8217;t worry about casinos cheating. Play your game and rest easy. <b>BUT<\/b>, if you ever do run into a short shoe in the U.S. email me. I will pay a finders fee if it turns out to be true. One man&#8217;s trash is another man&#8217;s treasure, and I think a short shoe would be a gold mine.<\/p>\n<p>By the way, if you are interested in learning more about casino cheating I highly\u00a0recommend, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0975986406\/ref=as_li_tf_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=0975986406&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=richardmunchk-20\">Casino Game Protection<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"https:\/\/www.assoc-amazon.com\/e\/ir?t=richardmunchk-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=0975986406\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/>. 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