{"id":124799,"date":"2023-03-21T10:05:14","date_gmt":"2023-03-21T17:05:14","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.lasvegasadvisor.com\/gambling-with-an-edge\/?p=124799"},"modified":"2023-03-21T10:05:14","modified_gmt":"2023-03-21T17:05:14","slug":"do-aps-cheat-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.lasvegasadvisor.com\/blog\/do-aps-cheat-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Do APs Cheat?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>At the recent World Game Protection seminars, casino expert Sal Piacente said: \u201cAdvantage players don\u2019t want to cheat and aren\u2019t doing anything illegal, but instead use their minds to beat the game, whether watching to see if a dealer exposes a hole card or by card counting.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I\u2019m not so sure.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<!--more-->\n\n\n\n<p>For any group of 1,000 advantage players, you\u2019ll have 1,000 different conclusions on how close to the line &#8212; or how far over the line &#8212; they are willing to go to collect money from casinos and others.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Richard Munchkin has said on the air that he and the teams he belonged to used electronic devices to help them play blackjack when it was legal, but when it became illegal, they stopped. I believe him. But I also believe that there are still APs today who use illegal devices to assist them in beating casinos.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Piacente spoke about card counting and hole carding. Those are legal maneuvers in many, but not all, jurisdictions. Try card counting in London and they\u2019ll likely keep your money if you lose and not cash your chips when you win. Get caught hole carding at certain tribal casinos in Michigan and elsewhere, and you probably won\u2019t be paid.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In video poker, most casinos say you can only play on your own player\u2019s card and not anyone else\u2019s. I\u2019ve successfully played on both my card and my wife\u2019s card at many casinos. I don\u2019t consider that cheating. Occasionally a casino tells me I shouldn\u2019t do that anymore, and when that happens I honor their directions.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>There are players, though, who regularly play on 20 or 60 different cards. They find casinos that give generous mailers and other benefits for a minimum amount of play. I believe this to be fraudulent. I see this as very different from me playing on my wife\u2019s card. Clearly others don\u2019t make the same distinction I do.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I\u2019m not claiming that I\u2019m a saint. I\u2019ve written about various things I\u2019ve done in casinos and elsewhere that don\u2019t pass the \u201csmell test.\u201d Most I wouldn\u2019t do today.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Many players have the attitude of, \u201cIf you can get away with it, it\u2019s not cheating,\u201d while others have a more restrictive code of, \u201cThere is right and wrong and one should not confuse the two.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In no way am I arguing that all APs cheat. That\u2019s nonsense. Many of my best friends are APs and I trust them completely. But there are many other APs I do not trust. Richard once said about a famous AP, \u201cI like him, but I would never do business with him.\u201d&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I\u2019ve been burned before by strong players. Just because you can count cards successfully doesn\u2019t mean you\u2019re trustworthy. With that said, however, I do believe that there are a large number of players who win just by using their brain and skills without cheating at all. That\u2019s how I like to think of myself &#8212; although I know that I\u2019ve not always risen to that standard. But that\u2019s my goal and I keep trying to achieve it.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>At the recent World Game Protection seminars, casino expert Sal Piacente said: \u201cAdvantage players don\u2019t want to cheat and aren\u2019t doing anything illegal, but instead use their minds to beat the game, whether watching to see if a dealer exposes a hole card or by card counting.\u201d I\u2019m not so sure.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":15763,"featured_media":6498,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"Do APs Cheat? by Bob Dancer","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[601,558],"tags":[602,561,580,585],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.lasvegasadvisor.com\/shop\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/124799"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.lasvegasadvisor.com\/shop\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.lasvegasadvisor.com\/shop\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.lasvegasadvisor.com\/shop\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/15763"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.lasvegasadvisor.com\/shop\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=124799"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.lasvegasadvisor.com\/shop\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/124799\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.lasvegasadvisor.com\/shop\/wp-json\/"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.lasvegasadvisor.com\/shop\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=124799"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.lasvegasadvisor.com\/shop\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=124799"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.lasvegasadvisor.com\/shop\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=124799"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}