{"id":64069,"date":"2018-07-17T14:36:53","date_gmt":"2018-07-17T22:36:53","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.lasvegasadvisor.com\/gambling-with-an-edge\/?p=64069"},"modified":"2023-08-24T15:02:14","modified_gmt":"2023-08-24T23:02:14","slug":"looking-9-5-double-double-bonus-poker-multiple-progressives","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.lasvegasadvisor.com\/blog\/looking-9-5-double-double-bonus-poker-multiple-progressives\/","title":{"rendered":"Looking at 9-5 Double Double Bonus Poker with Multiple Progressives"},"content":{"rendered":"

The <\/span>Vegas Stats & Information Network<\/span><\/i> radio studio is located in the middle of the South Point casino floor, and periodically I\u2019ve been a guest of the early morning show hosted by Paul \u201cPaulie\u201d Howard and Mitch Moss. Paulie mentioned that he found the DDB progressives interesting and wanted me to talk on the show about when you should get on the machine.<\/span><\/p>\n

Such numbers do not make for good radio, especially since some of the listeners are probably driving to work and can\u2019t take the time to write down anything. When I was last on the program on June 29, I gave some numbers and said that I\u2019d be going into greater detail in my July 17 blog. And here we go!<\/span><\/p>\n

If you\u2019re serious about progressives, you should get Frank Kneeland\u2019s \u201cThe Secret Guide to Video Poker Progressives.\u201d That has by far more useful information on progressives than you\u2019ll find anywhere else.<\/span><\/p>\n

For today, I\u2019ll assume you\u2019re just going to be playing the game occasionally — and basically want to know how to figure the return on the game. <\/span><\/p>\n

The game in question at the South Point contains a number of progressives, but does NOT have a progressive on the straight flush. Today I\u2019m going to assign a number to the straight flush progressive because this same progressive is found in numerous casinos — sometimes with a progressive and sometimes without. <\/span><\/p>\n

In addition to telling you how to evaluate the game, I also want to explain how I came up with the numbers. That way readers who are interested can apply the same technique to other progressives.<\/span><\/p>\n

You\u2019re going to need computer software to analyze progressives. I\u2019m going to use Video Poker for Winners and WinPoker as those are the ones I use regularly and know well. If you have Wolf Video Poker, that can work as well. While it\u2019s not quite as user-friendly, the wizardofodds.com has a free calculator you can use online. For many, it\u2019s hard to beat free.<\/span><\/p>\n

To start with, we need the base return of this dollar game, which is 97.87%. We\u2019re going to be coming back to this base game over and over again.<\/span><\/p>\n

To see how the progressive on the royal increases the return, I\u2019ll set the royal on the game to 8000 coins. When I do this, I see the return is close to 100.13%. Assuming the return increases linearly (not completely accurate, but close enough for the analysis we\u2019re going to be doing today), this means that when the royal increases $4,000, the value of the game increases 2.26%. Dividing by 4, when the royal increases by $1,000, the return on the game increases 0.56%. Once we have this multiplier, we can figure it out for any royal. Say the royal is at $7,356. That is 3.35 \u201c$1,000 increments\u201d more than the base game, and 3.35 * 0.55% adds 1.84% to the game.<\/span><\/p>\n

Those who have actually followed along with the math will have noticed that I have rounded downward. The reason for this is that there are strategic changes to be made as each of the progressives change in value and it\u2019s virtually impossible to get them all correct. By lowering the estimates of what the return will be, we somewhat take this into account.<\/span><\/p>\n

Now we look at aces with a kicker. This jackpot starts at $2,000. So, we return to the base game and enter $3,000 for aces with a kicker. This gives up a return of 99.23%, which is an increase of 1.36% over 10 $100 increments, or 0.13% for every $100 (again rounding downward)<\/span><\/p>\n

For aces without a kicker, this starts out at $800. Increasing that to $1,800 from the base game gives us 101.37% — an increase of 3.50% over ten $100 increments. So, whenever this progressive increases by $100, I add 0.35%.<\/span><\/p>\n

For four 2s, 3s, and 4s with a kicker, this starts out at $800. Increasing that to $1,800 gives us 101.11% — an increase of 3.24% over ten $100 increments. So, whenever this progressive increases by $100, I add 0.32%.<\/span><\/p>\n

I\u2019m looking now at the straight flush, even though it does not have a progressive on the South Point machines. Sometimes, it does elsewhere. I\u2019ll set the straight flush to $1,250 to get a return of 100.61% — an increase of 2.74% over ten $100 increments. So, whenever this progressive increase by $100, I add 0.27%.<\/span><\/p>\n

The other two progressives, 2s-4s without a kicker along with 5s-Ks with or without a kicker, turn over fairly rapidly. These add some value, as you might collect $403 or $256 instead of $400 or $250 respectively, but these never get high enough to make that much of a \u201csit down and play or not\u201d decision. <\/span><\/p>\n

I assign 0.13% as the sum of these no matter how high they are. Why? Because that makes the base game an even 98% instead of 97.87%. This is a much easier number to work with, especially if I\u2019m doing this in my head rather than with a calculator or some other means.<\/span><\/p>\n

The final question you need to address is, \u201cHow high does it need to be before it\u2019s worth playing?\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

This depends on you. Since they have a number of 9\/6 DDB games in the casino, which return 99.0%, the minimum sum of the progressives that you need is this figure. For players who wish to play a winning game, however, this isn\u2019t nearly high enough.<\/span><\/p>\n

You need 99.7% to make it an even game with the 0.3% slot club. Actually, that makes it slightly positive because you will also receive mailers and be able to participate in promotions while playing this game.<\/span><\/p>\n

I can tell you I\u2019ve seen it above the 99.7% level frequently. This is a decent game for dollar players to add to their repertoire at a casino with a number of good choices.<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

The Vegas Stats & Information Network radio studio is located in the middle of the South Point casino floor, and periodically I\u2019ve been a guest of the early morning show hosted by Paul \u201cPaulie\u201d Howard and Mitch Moss. Paulie mentioned that he found the DDB progressives interesting and wanted me to talk on the show […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":15763,"featured_media":6498,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[558,643,557],"tags":[561,992,585],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.lasvegasadvisor.com\/shop\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/64069"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.lasvegasadvisor.com\/shop\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.lasvegasadvisor.com\/shop\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.lasvegasadvisor.com\/shop\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/15763"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.lasvegasadvisor.com\/shop\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=64069"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.lasvegasadvisor.com\/shop\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/64069\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.lasvegasadvisor.com\/shop\/wp-json\/"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.lasvegasadvisor.com\/shop\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=64069"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.lasvegasadvisor.com\/shop\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=64069"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.lasvegasadvisor.com\/shop\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=64069"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}