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March 7, 2020 56 Comments Written by Joe Pane

Yes, last night the VGK lost to a desperate Winnipeg Jet team 4-0. The Jets are fighting for their playoff lives. Last night the Jets were the better team, no question about that. Are they a better team overall? Not a chance. But when you look at social media and read some Twitter comments from VGK fans and opinions of some media people, you would think that one of the following statements (or all 4) is what’s wrong with the VGK: 1) Fleury is done; Robin Lehner should have started the game; 2) There is now a goalie controversy in Las Vegas; 3) Coach DeBoer has no clue about working his lineup; 4) the 4th line of Reaves-Carrier-Nosek has no business starting a game.

Well, I’m here to tell you that it’s completely ludicrous to even think that this is what’s wrong with the VGK, let alone say it out loud. Actually, it’s downright embarrassing.

Let me start with the Flower. Last night, it wouldn’t have mattered if Patrick Roy himself — who won 4 Stanley Cups, 3 Conn Smythe awards as the Stanley Cup playoffs MVP, 3 Vezina trophies, and 3 William Jennings trophies — had been in the net for the VGK. Roy is, in my opinion, the greatest goaltender in the modern era of the NHL. Lindsey Brown of CBS Sports radio would want Martin Brodeur instead of Patrick in the net. I say this as Lindsey and I had this conversation in the press box when the NJ Devils were in town. But no matter who the VGK goaltender was, he wasn’t going to win. The best either of these 2 goaltenders or Robin Lehner could have done was get it to a 0-0 overtime. But when you don’t score a goal, it’s impossible to prevail. The VGK have scored 1 goal in the last 2 games Fleury has started.

There is no goalie problem. Thirty other teams would die to have 2 starting goaltenders.

Now to coach DeBoer and his “poor” and “baffling” decision to start the 4th line just about every game since his arrival on Jan 16th — at least that’s what I’m reading on the Internet and hearing media people repeat over and over again. I didn’t know we had so many NHL-caliber coaches lingering on social media who have never been offered a job. Considering that fired NHL coaches are recycled like plastic water bottles, why are these untapped knowledgeable hockey coaches left to coach from the keyboards on Twitter and Facebook? One would think that they would at least get an interview when a coaching spot opened up. I would bet a dozen or two Krispy Kreme donuts that some who are questioning DeBoer’s lineup choices couldn’t even skate from the blue line to the top of the faceoff circle without falling on the pencil. I’m not trying to censor their opinions, just pointing out that they may not know as much as they think they know or try to tell you when it comes to fixing what’s wrong with the starting lineup for the VGK.

Granted, the VGK have given up the most first-period goals in the entire league with 72, but that’s not a clear indication that the blame should be put solely on the 4th line because they started the game. Coach Gallant coached this team this year for their first 48 games. The 72 goals surrendered in the first periods are for all 69 games. The problem isn’t with DeBoer or, for that matter, was it with Gallant. The team itself needed a jolt, a wake-up call, and when that’s needed, guess who loses their job? The coach. And if the new coach doesn’t work out, the next step up the ladder is the GM.

DeBoer is a good coach. He has a lot of hockey knowledge, more than the pundits on social media, which allows unfettered opinions to anyone with a keyboard. DeBoer has gotten this team’s attention; they’re playing much better since he took over (13-5-2). In the 20 games he’s started the 4th line, they’ve gotten points in 15; that’s 75% of the time.

Last night, the VGK stunk. I can say that without a doubt. But they didn’t stink because of Fleury. They didn’t look horrible because DeBoer started the 4th line. They didn’t lose because Robin “Big Guy” Lehner was on the bench. They lost because as a team, they didn’t play well.

I can say this about the 4th line: If you’ve been paying attention, and for the most part, I know most of you are, that line has been an important asset to this team. They may not be lighting up the scoreboard, but show me the 4th line on any of the other 30 teams that is. At least 20 other NHL teams — and I’m being conservative here — would do an even trade for the VGK’s 4th line in exchange for theirs.

Ranting over. Sorry if this was more than you wanted to read.

The Winnipeg Jets have an excellent goaltender in Connor Hellebuyck. Before last night, he was tied with Fleury and Elvis Merzlikins with 5 shutouts apiece so far this season. Connor now leads the NHL with six. Fleury had an off night; he had 20 saves and gave up 4 goals on the first 17 shots he faced. The first 3 goals were just pucks that were in the right place or took the right bounce.

On the first goal that the Jets scored, both Whitecloud and Holden chased the Jet player behind the net. The maligned 4th liner Ryan Reaves was defensively sound and came down low to protect the front of the net that was left vacated; he even had his stick down to take away a passing lane. Unfortunately, the pass from behind the net hit Reaves’ stick and bounced back toward the net beating Fleury.

On the second goal, a shot from the point was blocked by McNabb, but took a fortuitous bounce right to an open Jet player, whose shot hit Holden and deflected past Fleury.

On the 3rd goal, Nicolas Roy, the only player who looked inspired, made a blind pass just inside the VGK offensive zone. The errant pass was picked off and a 2-on-1 ensued with McNabb as the only player between the 2 Jets and Fleury. McNabb’s job is to prevent a cross-ice pass, as this will require Fleury to move quickly from one side to the other. McNabb takes the pass away; Fleury takes the shooter without having to move laterally. If you watch the replay of this goal, you’ll see McNabb look down and at that very moment, the pass was sent from Jack Roslovic streaking down the right-wing to Kyle Connor on the left-wing. Fleury tried his best to get over from the left post to the right, but Connor’s shot was just too quick and accurate. That goal made it 3-0 and the game at that point was over.

It just was a bad night for the Knights, one they need to move on from. They’re still in first place and Sunday’s game vs. Calgary is now even more important. Actually, they’re all important as the Pacific Division, which has been an adventure all season long, has the top 4 teams separated by only 6 points and the 4th place Vancouver Canucks have played 2 fewer games than the VGK. If you do the math, if Vancouver were to win the 2 games in hand and everything else remained the same, 4 teams would be separated by only 2 to 3 points of first place. I hate to say it, but this is going to go down to the wire.

Let me close by saying there is no “I” in “team.”

The VGK win as a team and lose as a team no matter who’s playing at the beginning of the game.

Your comments and opinions are welcome here at Las Vegas Advisor or you can contact me directly at [email protected] or on Twitter @TheRealJoePane or on my Facebook page or the Facebook page of Vegas Hockey Guy.

Opening goal off Reaves’ stick

The 2-on-1 that McNabb misplayed

The goal that bounced off McNabb’s skate

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56 Comments

  1. Mr. Ed Mr. Ed
    March 7, 2020    

    My understandong is that moat of the out of work coaches are now working as Banquet Waiters.
    Because apparently the same skill set is useful in refilling peoples water glass and picking up the dirty plates as coaching an NHL Team?

    Reply
  2. Joe Pane Joe Pane
    March 7, 2020    

    Christine Balz sent this comment in
    Well written as per usual!!! And I was only kidding about my Fleury comment, you know me, jokes for days!!! 🤪🤣🤣🤣 The jets were our sacrificial lamb for this road trip – the next 4 games are ours!!! GO KNIGHTS GO!!! 🤘😜🤘

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    • Joe Pane Joe Pane
      March 7, 2020    

      Christine Balz you were not the reason I brought up the Fleury comment trust me on this. I just lost it last night with some people’s input on what needs to be corrected on this FIRST PLACE team.

      Reply
  3. Darcy Darcy
    March 7, 2020    

    Wow. Thanks for the explanation. Didn’t get to see the game but kept checking the score during dinner with friends who are all Knights fans. We are all huge Fleury fans too. Breaks our hearts for him when he has a bad game. And one said our new goalie refused the donut after the shut out. Doesn’t he understand the tradition of the team and the excitement of 18k plus fans who will collecting their free donuts. Anyway, we are all excited to have two fabulous goalies for the playoffs, if we don’t blow getting there.

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    • Joe Pane Joe Pane
      March 7, 2020    

      Darcy
      Robin Lehner didn’t refuse the donut he actually carried it for a while before letting it go. He is a very private person and shies away from any additional attention. When he was traded here he called the team in advance and asked them not to sent the drumline and the VGK Girls to the airport to greet him. That kind of explains his reluctance to skate around with the inflatable donut. I can understand his choice. I hope you can as well as it was not meant to be any disrespect to the donut tradition that we all have grown to love. Give the BIG GUY some time to adjust to life in Vegas. We do live in a unique city that others may take a while to understand.

      Reply
  4. Joe Pane Joe Pane
    March 7, 2020    

    Tonja Englert-Maholick had this comment
    As always…great article Joe! 👍

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  5. Joe Pane Joe Pane
    March 7, 2020    

    Jen Shockey commented with this
    Nailed it! 👍 To many ❄️ on this Facebook page!

    Reply
  6. Joe Pane Joe Pane
    March 7, 2020    

    Jason Kristi Wright wrote

    Perfect!!! Well said. Thank god someone is saying what I’ve been saying to all the newbies. You are absolutely correct

    Reply
  7. AlejandroF AlejandroF
    March 7, 2020    

    So the question becomes “why isn’t the team scoring on nights that Fleury plays?”

    Are they playing too conservatively to cover him? They’ve scored 0 goals in the 2 games that he’s been in net post-deadline, against two teams with awful defenses and, at least in the Kings game, a newbie goaltender. The same lineup put up 4 against Buffalo and 3 against New Jersey, while allowing 2 goals total. The teams faced in each game are essentially the same teams, too: Kings/Devil are bottom of the league, and Buffalo would be pushing for a playoff spot if they played in a different division/conference, much like the Jets are in the Central. So… if the opposition is the same, and the players are the same, but the goalie changes… what could possibly be the difference?

    Also, to say there’s not a goalie controversy brewing isn’t wholely accurate, and it’s happened to Fleury before. Lehner has been lights-out better in the games he’s played for Vegas. He was also perfectly serviceable playing for an objectively worse team/blue line earlier this year. Likewise, Murray was lights-out better in both cup runs that Fleury was replaced.

    No, the loss doesn’t fall entirely on Fleury. But he’s certainly not doing himself any favors, and now that the team has an actual alternative, you gotta think his confidence is shot.

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    • Joe Pane Joe Pane
      March 7, 2020    

      AlejandroF

      Your observation on the goaltending situation is well stated. I wish I could tell you exactly what the problem is. But Fleury has the job until he loses it is how I see it. The team in front of him has not provided the support he has needed. Only 1 goal in his last 2 games.
      He deserves much better and the team in front of him knows that better than all of us combined. Good teams respond when backed into a corner as do good players. This is more than a good team and Fleury is more than just a good player. All will be right with all of them as they win and lose as a TEAM. There is no I in team.

      Reply
  8. Joe Pane Joe Pane
    March 7, 2020    

    Jason Kristi Wright also added this
    Joe Pane it’s panic time for some people all the time

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  9. Joe Pane Joe Pane
    March 7, 2020    

    Linda Ganz submitted this

    Well said joe🥅👍🏻❤️

    Reply
  10. Joe Pane Joe Pane
    March 7, 2020    

    Brett Pendleton submitted this comment

    Very good article

    Reply
  11. Joe Pane Joe Pane
    March 7, 2020    

    Nick Steffen

    Well said. I couldn’t agree more.

    Reply
  12. Joe Pane Joe Pane
    March 7, 2020    

    Jamie Fautt
    On the first goal, I thought Fleury was not in position. The second is all Holden in my opinion. Sloppy pick management, he failed to clear than it appears he screened Fleury and it deflected off of him and in. The third goal was just a great set up by the Jets.

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  13. Joe Pane Joe Pane
    March 7, 2020    

    Brenda Watkins Absolutely correct.

    Reply
  14. Joe Pane Joe Pane
    March 7, 2020    

    Daphne DeVane Smith
    Thanks Joe. I do appreciate the articles!

    Reply
  15. Joe Pane Joe Pane
    March 7, 2020    

    Camille Gualtieri, I don’t know Joe, you are a brave man to bring facts, logic and common sense to this page. Be careful the “experts” on Facebook may want to blame, ban or bench you for this. Those of us with a tiny bit of sense, salute you.

    Reply
  16. Joe Pane Joe Pane
    March 7, 2020    

    Terrie R Davis
    Thank you…. so tired of the BS whenever we lose. Name-calling and bullying is what most of them do best. We are going to be 3 for 3 in the playoffs, get over yourselves….

    Reply
  17. Joe Pane Joe Pane
    March 7, 2020    

    Jody Mitchell Glover Thank you sir!! This is an excellent article!!

    Reply
  18. Joe Pane Joe Pane
    March 7, 2020    

    Carolle Cote Great article! You know your hockey Sir and as usual, your analysis of the last knight game is so accurate! Bravo 👏

    Reply
  19. Joe Pane Joe Pane
    March 7, 2020    

    Jacqueline Claire
    I toast your commentary, or as you said “rant.” We can’t win every game. I hate to use the word hate so I shall say I loathe the pot-stirring “fans?” Kindness is severely underrated. Let’s put this game behind us and get some more W’s before the playoffs start. Going out on a limb to say those of us who cheer for the same team…can we all please get along, and be positive and kind to our fellow Knights fans and citizens, and especially to our players? Please??? 💛🖤❤️⚔️🏒🥅🇺🇸 Jac’s Rant over.

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  20. Joe Pane Joe Pane
    March 7, 2020    

    Lynda Israel

    Perfect review once again!

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  21. Joe Pane Joe Pane
    March 7, 2020    

    Andrew Gilland
    The part that sucks the most is this sense we acquired Robin Lehner I thought we’d have the best goalies in the NHL man oh man was i wrong on one hand we have The Panda Wall in net and on the other hand, we have Fleury’ban in net that’s not playing like he should why pay him 7.+million a year he’s not playing like a 7 million dollar man good God Fleury get over yourself and being butthurt because your not in the spotlight in a good way anymore it’s a negative way now I know it’s hard losing a father but you need to MAN UP and do your job that’s what your paid to do it’s simple STEP UP OR STEP ASIDE everyone worldwide loves you, honor’s you, respects you, idolizes you, now get out their and show them why your called the
    “FLOWER”
    You are you know one else is like you your the Beast from the French territory of beautiful Canada I love you and your family I took it hard when your daddy died I’ve been thru the same and then some loss of wife to stage 4 breast cancer and a stepson killed in Iraq so I say MAN UP get your head in the game your father is watching over you and I’m sure he’d be upset with you playing like poopoo
    My daughter is 5 years old and loves you my whole family loves you forever Fleury & Lehner!

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    • Michael Bronowitz Michael Bronowitz
      March 8, 2020    

      That’s one big fucking run-on sentence. Is English your first language? Good God I hope not.

      Reply
      • Joe Pane Joe Pane
        March 9, 2020    

        Michael, you are a trip, I think Andrew just was taken over by his passion on this topic

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  22. Joe Pane Joe Pane
    March 7, 2020    

    Kathy Montgomery Vietmeier
    THANK YOU!!! I am so tired of listening to all the armchair coaches and players – it’s always one player or another’s fault…instead of on the whole team. 🙄

    Reply
  23. Joe Pane Joe Pane
    March 7, 2020    

    Ian Daniel Kathy Montgomery Vietmeier

    Unemployment in Vegas at an all-time low with the coaches we have.

    Reply
  24. Joe Pane Joe Pane
    March 7, 2020    

    Tina Kincer

    So true and I get tired of everyone always blaming fleury when the rest of the team did nothing

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  25. Sarah Sarah
    March 7, 2020    

    Perfect…once again!

    Reply
  26. Joe Pane Joe Pane
    March 7, 2020    

    Tyler Paul
    Instead of all that, it comes down to 1 thing..
    You can’t win games, without scoring goals.
    #notfleurysfault

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    • Joe Pane Joe Pane
      March 7, 2020    

      Bonne Petersen Covey

      Yes, what a concept. You win games by scoring more goals than the opposing team.

      Reply
  27. Joe Pane Joe Pane
    March 7, 2020    

    Chris Yannotti

    Bravo!!!!!!!!!!

    Reply
  28. Joe Pane Joe Pane
    March 7, 2020    

    Judy Schneider

    Great statement!!#goKnightsgo #😢🤞🤞🤞🖤🧡🏒🥅💕😎🍁🇨🇦

    Reply
  29. Joe Pane Joe Pane
    March 7, 2020    

    Samael Vincent A Roundpoint

    If only the IDIOTS on this Facebook page that profess how much Fleury sucks and he’s the backup now could watch a game and deduct such great observations as these. I hope with this article some of you feel downright embarrassed for the half-assed opinions you’re all so brave to voice on these forums.

    Reply
  30. Joe Pane Joe Pane
    March 7, 2020    

    Dawn Randy Hickle
    The goalie is only as good as the team, and defense let him down last night! I still love our VGK!

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  31. Joe Pane Joe Pane
    March 7, 2020    

    Sean Brown Sr.
    💯🎯👏

    Joe Pane, I read your write-up and then saw that right after. Figured it fit what ya said perfectly. lol. You were spot on once again, Joe. I look forward to seeing what ya write. And I hate seeing all those couch coaches thinking they know what the hell they’re talking about, lol. Some of the Knights groups/pages are getting pretty pathetic….

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    • Joe Pane Joe Pane
      March 7, 2020    

      Sean Brown Sr. So true last night comments on social media put me over the edge

      Joe P

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  32. Joe Pane Joe Pane
    March 7, 2020    

    Sean Brown Sr.

    Joe Pane, I’m right there with ya on that. Last night the Knights just flat out sucked…. as a team.
    I really hope they were embarrassed and come out with a vengeance tomorrow. We all know how they CAN play, it’s time for them to get back to that.

    Reply
  33. Joe Pane Joe Pane
    March 7, 2020    

    Juana Hopkins Anderson

    Thank you!!!

    Reply
  34. Joe Pane Joe Pane
    March 7, 2020    

    Georgene Brown Sklar

    I completely agree with this.

    Reply
  35. Joe Pane Joe Pane
    March 7, 2020    

    Nicole Boland

    Preach.
    Keyboard coaches are the worst. Go Knights!

    Reply
  36. Joe Pane Joe Pane
    March 7, 2020    

    Bryan Petersen

    Very well said, I agree.

    Reply
  37. Joe Pane Joe Pane
    March 7, 2020    

    Charles Adrian De Hoyos

    100% on the words about some of these fans on social media

    Reply
  38. Joe Pane Joe Pane
    March 7, 2020    

    Ed Whitworth

    👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻,

    Reply
  39. Joe Pane Joe Pane
    March 7, 2020    

    Brian Bollinger

    We can’t win everything and score all the time. Tune-up we’re in the playoffs I think so just fight to win the Pacific

    Reply
  40. Joe Pane Joe Pane
    March 7, 2020    

    Steve McInelly

    Perfectly written and very accurate Joe!

    Reply
  41. Joe Pane Joe Pane
    March 7, 2020    

    Manny Castillo
    Joe Pane
    Thanks, Joe.Good article

    Reply
  42. Joe Pane Joe Pane
    March 7, 2020    

    Faye Drover

    Finally! A voice of reason! Thank you!

    Reply
  43. Joe Pane Joe Pane
    March 8, 2020    

    Donna M Dennington

    You said it all in this one, Joe. Great writing and thanks for backing up our Knights. No I in team That’s the way it is every game. Obviously I’m a #29GRL. Tough games ahead for sure and I for one believe our Knights are one of the best in the league. NEXT!

    Reply
  44. Roberta Roberta
    March 8, 2020    

    Great article

    Reply
  45. Joe Pane Joe Pane
    March 9, 2020    

    Heather Gooze

    The “fans” that are making the posts and comments about Fleury being done etc have never been sports fans before… they are ignorant to major league sports and don’t know better. Those of us who have grown up surrounded by teams- both winning and losing (hell- I waited 107 years for my Cubs to win the World Series!) understand that there are an incredible number of factors that go into every win or loss… just saying….

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  46. Joe Pane Joe Pane
    March 9, 2020    

    Bryan Petersen

    Very well said I agree.

    Reply
  47. Joe Pane Joe Pane
    March 9, 2020    

    Charles Adrian De Hoyos
    100% on the words about some of these fans on social media

    Reply
  48. Joe Pane Joe Pane
    March 9, 2020    

    From Twitter Larry @Bombsniffer481

    So, without casting doubt on anyone’s experience or reporting skills, I love Joe’s focus on the TEAM’s shared responsibilities. We win and/or lose as a team. I believe Flower starts tomorrow and watch the D set up for 60! Go Knights Go

    Reply
  49. Joe Pane Joe Pane
    March 9, 2020    

    From Twitter Emmy @EmmyLTyra

    I love every word Joe said and if you read between the lines he’s spot on there too!

    Reply

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