Rays/Jays

Rays/Jays I see the Rays are at 85 and Blue Jays at 76. My initial take is that these teams are closer than 9 wins apart. But even myself is it that the Blue Jays can still win 85 games like LY or is it that the Rays are way too high and will win maybe not even half their games? I know the Rays ended up with Manny and Damon but they both just look like they cannot contribute anywhere near what they used to. This franchise had problems drawing even with their team LY so it might be a move for them to generate a little fan interest. The lost Garza, Pena and Crawford. Shields, Niemann and Davis all struggled later in the year I recall last year as starters. The bullpen has to be weaker with the loss of Soriano and a few other names. The Jays have boppers all through their lineup and although I worry about their starting pitching many analysts like it. The bullpen lost some guys as well but they appear deep in the system for replacements. It seems bold but I think Toronto is a better team here than Tampa Bay. Rays have some good talent, some good prospects and maybe Manny has a little magic but I think more question marks. 85 wins has to be a high water mark for them IMO. I just don't believe they are good enough to win 90 games. Many ways to lose a bet Over 85. Blue Jays probably a good over bet but the Rays a better under bet I think.
i have no problem backing the Rays at 4+ games over .500
Dead on. I find success betting the under when teams sign big over-the-hill names. Regarding the Jays, they started fast because of a weak schedule and then faded late when they had NYY and Bos over and over. A lot of room for interpretation there, but there is value at 76.
I'm on the Rays under 85 too, thought I saw holes last year, but they kept winning.?. Haven't looked close enough at Toronto, but was eyeball thinking under there too.