The D and Golden Gate update

The ethics sure get more complicated when the casino screws up and runs an offer that just asks for abuse. I haven't heard of perks based on buy-in at a table for decades; used to be all sorts of people abusing the junket system that way, buying in for $1000, playing for 10 minutes, walking with $990 and having their tab picked up.
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Originally posted by: wjkomo
How is this any different than any promotion where a player tries to maximize their chance of winning? Bob Dancer is paid by the LVA for writing articles some of which boast about playing to earn huge amounts of entries, dominating most other contestants, and about the prizes he wins with that play. How is this any different?

In the promotions Dancer has previously described, his entries were earned based on play. The more play he gave, the more entries he got. If he had 20% of the entries in a contest because he gave a casino tons of play, more power to him.

As I stated in my post, I understand that Chet didn't break any rules. In fact, good for him for finding a way to take advantage of a poorly designed promotion (in that a $300 buy-in with no play requirement would earn a drawing ticket), but understand that I have a few sour grapes since my entries which were earned by meeting the requirements of the spirit of the promotion weren't worth as much as they should have been, thanks to literally dozens of entries earned by taking advantage of the situation.

I'm not entirely siding with the casino -- I agree that they should have designed the promotions so they were less likely to be abused, but I'm guessing they didn't consider that someone would come along and abuse them. I imagine they've learned their lesson, thanks to Chet, and now it will likely be more difficult for all players to earn entries in the future.
I think the issue here is whether doing something to maximize one's chances (one's tickets) can be called abuse. I think that people who consider this abuse are people who buy into the spins that the casinos put on everything.

It wasn't chet that reduced the value of knagl's tickets. It was the casino.

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Originally posted by: knagl a poorly designed promotion (in that a $300 buy-in with no play requirement would earn a drawing ticket),
But chet DID play.
I put the amount we (my fiance played with me) won combined at both properties, in each instance as I viewed it as a combined contest. And I did play sometimes for up to 45 min to an hour in a few sessions (craps).
I didn't just buy in and play one hand, I tried to manage (minimize my losses) and I refused to chase if down or double up if the dice/cards were cold. If they make it more difficult
for me, it should be easier for others like you so I wouldn't sweat it so much. What Dancer does is similar he just assumes a greater degree of risk than I want to. And he has been probably kicked and they
certainly have adjusted the rules for him (you can only win one time etc.) at certain places. Agree completely with what Mr. Marcus said and you are right knagl, sounds kinda like sour grapes on your part, you would
have done the same thing I did, if you hadfigured it out first. As someone previously said, there were others that discovered it just not till Thurs or Fri when it was hard to accumulate a lot of tix. Thanks for the comments
we will c what happens. There are a number of opportunities around town, you just have to sniff them out. If you are nice to me and send me a pm, I will help anyone that wants them.

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Originally posted by: chetthejet43
I put the amount we (my fiance played with me) won combined at both properties, in each instance as I viewed it as a combined contest. And I did play sometimes for up to 45 min to an hour in a few sessions (craps).
I didn't just buy in and play one hand, I tried to manage (minimize my losses) and I refused to chase if down or double up if the dice/cards were cold. If they make it more difficult
for me, it should be easier for others like you so I wouldn't sweat it so much. What Dancer does is similar he just assumes a greater degree of risk than I want to. And he has been probably kicked and they
certainly have adjusted the rules for him (you can only win one time etc.) at certain places. Agree completely with what Mr. Marcus said and you are right knagl, sounds kinda like sour grapes on your part, you would
have done the same thing I did, if you hadfigured it out first. As someone previously said, there were others that discovered it just not till Thurs or Fri when it was hard to accumulate a lot of tix. Thanks for the comments
we will c what happens. There are a number of opportunities around town, you just have to sniff them out. If you are nice to me and send me a pm, I will help anyone that wants them.


Chet, I agree that you did absolutely nothing wrong based on your description of the situation. You found a weakness in the promotion rules and did the best you could within your risk tolerance to gain an advantage over other promotion participants. I think what you did was smart. With that being said, I don't understand your offer to help others find and exploit other promotional opportunities. It seems this would negatively effect your prospects of having a maximum advantage in these promotions.
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Originally posted by: chetthejet43 And he (Bob Dancer) has been probably kicked out and they certainly have adjusted the rules for him (you can only win one time etc.) at certain places.

If I'm remembering correctly, I think that Bob Dancer has said that MGM does not want his action I think at all (at least with a Slot Club card inserted).

RecVPPlayer

So in summary, dont play blackjack at the "D"..
Jack I don't mind helping people. I figure we can share information and all benefit. If it dilutes my potential gain, I am willing to live with that.
Ok Anthony, I would like a response. There is a slot and keno tournament on the 28th I would like to play in at Fitzgeralds. Keno not so much but maybe, but most
certainly the slot tourney. It is one where you pay to get in. I do not want to go there and be embarrassed and told I am barred from even entering the place. If you
can find out if I can play in it, and if not, why, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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