4th Rd Northern Trust Open

4th Rd Northern Trust Open [B]Jimmy Walker -135 [/B]vs. Harrison Frazar....[B]4th Rd only.[/B] Frazar shot 74 in round 2 and barely missed the cut and now should bounce after a 65 in round 3 benefitting from the early prestine conditions. Walker has been a fixture on the leaderboard much more than Frazar and a T9 finish LW.
Alf... Any idea of your record for the early part of the PGA season? Good luck on the 4th round play
No. Anyone following my golf matchups this season is aware that we are way behind. I keep a running tab of money won and lost. Either way, it's been brutal. We've had no breaks, bad beats, injury players playing like Ben Hogan, guys making or missing the cut on the number etc etc. Usually, I get out to a couple of West Coast events, none so far this season due to a bum knee, and I'm 95% out not going to the WGC Matchplay event next week too... I prepared very hard for this golf handicapping season, changed many tactics, trashed most of my database and looked more at round by round matchups and props. It has to turn around or I'll just concentrate on the majors.
[QUOTE=Alf M;39811]No. Anyone following my golf matchups this season is aware that we are way behind. I keep a running tab of money won and lost. Either way, it's been brutal. We've had no breaks, bad beats, injury players playing like Ben Hogan, guys making or missing the cut on the number etc etc. Usually, I get out to a couple of West Coast events, none so far this season due to a bum knee, and I'm 95% out not going to the WGC Matchplay event next week too... I prepared very hard for this golf handicapping season, changed many tactics, trashed most of my database and looked more at round by round matchups and props. It has to turn around or I'll just concentrate on the majors.[/QUOTE] Thanks for replying...and for your efforts. I can tell you work hard at this and take it hard when you lose (which tells me that you work hard at it)... One thing that I have noticed (and I'm sure many others have as well) is that you rarely EVER play a dog. I would think in individual matchups (Golf/Tennis/Fighting/Etc) that long term it would be hard in today's current market to win betting as many favorites as you do. You just have to win at an alarmingly high rate laying so much chalk. Is this something that you cap towards is betting focused favorites or simply trying to find golfers to fade thus ending up with mainly chalk? I remember last year when on day 1 of the match play tournament (can't remember the name of it) you had 8 day 1 matchup plays (all favorites and some heavy chalk) and they went 0-8. I was showing the card to some bookmakers and they were really surprised at the amount of chalk. Again I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm just wondering how it is that a you never (Obviously not NEVER but I would say you play favorites vs dogs at a 50 for 1 clip) find value in any +$ dogs? Thanks for your contributions.

Burger my friend, good discussion. Too many bettors and handicappers have become enamoured with betting underdogs IMO. The real hidden value is with the favorites. We've seen web sites spring up like Take the Points.net preaching if you are betting chalk you are the same as the public. Then you have the contrarians that love to fade the touts and line moves. I have many friends that bet nothing but dogs for 15-20 years, and they will tell when there are points involved that there 2 ways to lose with the favorite blah blah, and don't lay a money line bet over -125. NONE of them make a living year after year betting sports, they are break even at best and yet they still chase the dogs, and they don't have the bankroll to lay it when needed. In golf matchups, I realized years ago that I was wasting my time trying to make a line on a golfer or a matchup. The winner of a golf matchup is not determined by it's betting value. The matchup itself is the key and combined with a ceiling parameter is what I look for. Like this week JB Holmes over Allenby, after handicapping this matchup, IMO it was a slam dunk, Allenby could not hit the ocean if he fell out of a boat. I would have laid up to -180, he should have been -200 or more. And in golf more so than just about any sport, over 4 days and 72 holes the CREAM rises to the top. As you know from last year the main problem is posting matchups that I think you guys can get to. After I bet them, a matchup that was +105 is now -130 or -140. Golf matchup limits are very low, it doesn't take much to move a matchup 30-40 cents. My accounts are flagged, tracked and moved again on air by several sportsbooks, and then and only then will post them if I think there is still some value left. Sure, sometimes the line goes the other way like last week when we bet against Tiger, you guys got a better price than I did, but not often.
Interesting. Thanks for your reasoning. I don't get why it would be so hard for you to either get some accounts under a false premise (beard) or simply put your golf plays in on someone elses account that you have a solid and trusting relationship with? I have over 20 outs online. It seems it wouldn't be that hard for you to mask. Never heard of takethepoints.net but I may check it out just to see what it is all about. I like hearing your reasoning for focusing on favorites. This is somewhat similiar to how I am moving towards betting mainly (80+%) OVERS in my 2H totals. I find more value in finding +EV OVER situations and I don't have to worry about foulfests or the dreaded OT like I do when I am on the UNDER. It just goes to show there are several ways to skin a cat I guess. Thanks for your reply and I really hope you turn it around, as does my BR :) What is up with Mickelson? He is killing us with these late tourney meltdowns.
I'm convinced Mickelson was the right side in this one. Stricker went 4 OVER par on his last 6 holes Friday when the rain hit. (just like my handicapping write-up suggested) The other golfers behind him failed miserably and the cut line went from +2 to +3, and he makes the cut on the number, and of course Sat he shoots 65 in the best conditions....I'm not making this up....this shit just can't get much worse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[QUOTE=Alf M;39819] NONE of them make a living year after year betting sports, they are break even at best and yet they still chase the dogs, and they don't have the bankroll to lay it when needed. [/QUOTE] Funny quote... Must admit.
I'm in total disagreement with you on this. In fighting, boxing in particular, betting dogs is a loser. As time goes by betting dogs in MMA with become harder and harder. The smartest guys are the ones setting the lines. Yes betting heavy chalk is difficult but it just isn't only about value betting. The Donaire vs Montiel fight. When the fight was contracted many very smart guys thought that Montiel would open as the favorite. I thought the fight, without direct analysis was a 50/50 proposition. So when Montiel was available at +250 close to fight time it may have looked inviting. It wasn't. Deep analysis of opponents, styles and other key points showed that Donaire should win the fight and likely clearly win the fight. By KO in the second? I didn't think it would happen that way. [QUOTE=burger;39813]Thanks for replying...and for your efforts. I can tell you work hard at this and take it hard when you lose (which tells me that you work hard at it)... One thing that I have noticed (and I'm sure many others have as well) is that you rarely EVER play a dog. I would think in individual matchups (Golf/Tennis/Fighting/Etc) that long term it would be hard in today's current market to win betting as many favorites as you do. You just have to win at an alarmingly high rate laying so much chalk. Is this something that you cap towards is betting focused favorites or simply trying to find golfers to fade thus ending up with mainly chalk? I remember last year when on day 1 of the match play tournament (can't remember the name of it) you had 8 day 1 matchup plays (all favorites and some heavy chalk) and they went 0-8. I was showing the card to some bookmakers and they were really surprised at the amount of chalk. Again I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm just wondering how it is that a you never (Obviously not NEVER but I would say you play favorites vs dogs at a 50 for 1 clip) find value in any +$ dogs? Thanks for your contributions.[/QUOTE]