Bad Numbers-Advice Please

Bad Numbers-Advice Please Would like some advice from some of the veterans please. This is all hypothetical of course but lets say I play through a local guy who uses an offshore service. I have done NOTHING but lose for the past ten years to this guy. They posted some bad prop lines for the BB games tonight and I bet them all for my normal bets (300-500 per). i.e. Bost Ov 194 +250. They just cancelled all of the bets. What do I do?? Thanks. PS And quit losing/betting is not really helpful even though true.

Don't say anything and hope he doesn't cut you off. Bottom line is it doesn't matter if you have won or lost for the past x number of years... It has nothing to do with what is right and wrong. If someone that you have done good solid business with for several years posts something that is mistakenly and blantantly incorrect then why would you think it is solid business on your part trying to take advantage of human error? In essence you are trying to steal ("taking a shot" or being an "angle shooter") from someone you have had a decade long relationship with. Just my opinion and I'm sorry as I'm sure this isn't what you want to hear. What does "[I]I have done NOTHING but lose for the past ten years to this guy[/I]" have to do with the issue at hand? So if you had won at the guy you wouldn't try to take advantage of him but since you have lost it makes it ok to do something that you know is morally wrong? Just my 2c.... Good luck.

Thanks for the input Burger. I assume then that if you are playing blackjack at the casino and the dealer makes a mistake in adding their total you would immediately correct him/her even if it caused the rest of the table to lose?? If so I applaud you but for most of us taking advantage of mistakes when the odds are OVERWHELMINGLY stacked against us is not immoral. In fact, many people view the fact that you gamble as immoral and they could care less that you are an honorable immoral gambler. Everyone has their lines in the sand so to speak and while I would not cheat as in past post etc, takng advantage of a bad line is in my mind a bit different. I am not a sophisticated gambler and hence I lose a great deal more than I win and yes that should factor into the decision. Just like the casinos comp losers and bar winners. Would you really think that this guy would cut me off after 10 years and roughly $500k in losses?? Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. If I wasn't an IDIOT who would just find somewhere else to play it would be a blessing. I really am not trying to be argumentative but everyone has their opinion and has to live with themselves and has their own view of right and wrong. I hear stories about a guy walking up to a casino futures board and figuring out that the odds are a bit off and bets a ton. Is that immoral or just smart?? Sorry for the long post.

Moral or not, you are almost never getting paid on these, and there is a chance you get booted. So, it's best not to play them.

[QUOTE=bkeiller;21528]Thanks for the input Burger. I assume then that if you are playing blackjack at the casino and the dealer makes a mistake in adding their total you would immediately correct him/her even if it caused the rest of the table to lose?? [B]That is different as it impacts "the rest of the table" and it is not my place to hurt them financially. I did get overpaid $200 last year at the cage at Binions and after feeling guilty for 3 days returned and repaid the $200 to the cage manager.[/B] If so I applaud you but for most of us taking advantage of mistakes when the odds are OVERWHELMINGLY stacked against us is not immoral. In fact, many people view the fact that you gamble as immoral and they could care less that you are an honorable immoral gambler. [B]Yes but you only have to live with yourself, not "many people".[/B]Everyone has their lines in the sand so to speak and while I would not cheat as in past post etc, takng advantage of a bad line is in my mind a bit different. [B]A line that is "slow" moving is a different animal than firing in wagers on the Cowboys+10 when the actual line is Cowboys+1.[/B] I am not a sophisticated gambler and hence I lose a great deal more than I win and yes that should factor into the decision. Just like the casinos comp losers and bar winners. Would you really think that this guy would cut me off after 10 years and roughly $500k in losses?? Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. If I wasn't an IDIOT who would just find somewhere else to play it would be a blessing. I really am not trying to be argumentative but everyone has their opinion and has to live with themselves and has their own view of right and wrong. I hear stories about a guy walking up to a casino futures board and figuring out that the odds are a bit off and bets a ton. Is that immoral or just smart?? [B](Void argument because there is a MAJOR difference in a "bit off" and your scenario where the lines are just outright mistakes or reversed.)[/B] [B]Suppose you had beat this local book for several years and were up $500k instead of down $500k. Suppose all his lines were up tonight and they were all reversed. You know in your heart it is obvious that he has all his favorites listed as dogs and Vice Versa. What then? I just think only a piece of dogshit would try and steal from someone (which is what essentially this is doing) when it is obvious that it is/was just an input error or human error. Not to mention the fact that you are rarely (if ever) going to get your "erroneous wagers" honored and paid, plus you will be monitored very closely as the book knows that you are an angle shooter.[/B] Sorry for the long post.[/QUOTE] [B]Sounds like you already have it all figured out though. I'm confused what your original post was for as you seem to only want to hear what you feel (incorrectly) is ok.[/B] Again I'm just giving my opinion and opinions are like assholes....everyone has one. Good luck to you.

My original post was because I wanted to hear what some of the members thought of this situation. I had thought that this was part of the purpose of the board was to provoke discussion on gambling related topics. I did not post to be ridiculed or have it insinuated that I am a thief or a piece of dogsh%t. I would appreciate the moderators input on this point. I do appreciate the opinions expressed and valid points are raised. Again, everyone has their "moral" code and what they consider to be right or wrong. I was interested in hearing opinions and seeing if there was a consenus of sorts. I, as anyone, can be wrong and make a mistake. In response to some of the points that Burger raised at what point is the line a bit off and at what point is a there a major difference?? If the line should be +1 and it is -1. What if a team should be -120 and it is +120. Wat do I do if it is off a point, call the service and ask them to check the line?? In this case, I would have LOST the bet in question. How in the world is that stealing?? And I do not really believe that they are EVER going to label me an angle player or ban me when all I do is pay but the point is valid. Finally, I think it hypocritical that you would not say something if a dealer made a mistake if it affected others at the table. It is right or it is wrong and as you keep saying it is "human error". Why would you allow yourself and the others to "steal" like this?? It is stealing whether it is just you or the whole table. As far as returning the money to the cage many people, I grant, would not say anything but many more would say something right away. You only returned the money days later to assuage your own guilt. Probably after the cashier had been fired. Not very honorable in my book. Just my opinion.

Let's not lose sight of the original question. When a line is clearly incorrect because of reversal or a typo, you only run the risk of standing out by hammering it, and YOU WILL NOT GET PAID on the wager. It is an accidental litmus test that a book can use to see what kind of customers it has.

[I][B]My original post was because I wanted to hear what some of the members thought of this situation.[/B][/I] All I did was give my thoughts on it. You haven't liked them. [I][B]I did not post to be ridiculed or have it insinuated that I am a thief or a piece of dogsh%t.[/B][/I] I don't think I have ridiculed you at all. I never singled you out at all. I simply said anyone who is knowingly trying to "steal" from a local bookmaker that they have done good business with for 10 years by betting into obvious mistakes (In your example OVER 194 in Celtics game @ +250) is dogshit. [I][B]In response to some of the points that Burger raised at what point is the line a bit off and at what point is a there a major difference?? If the line should be +1 and it is -1. What if a team should be -120 and it is +120. Wat do I do if it is off a point, call the service and ask them to check the line??[/B] [/I] Your original message used the example of the Celts/Cavs game tonight being posted erroneously at OVER 194 +250. Essentially getting +250 on a -105 wager. Now you are switching to +1 or -1 which would obviously not be considered a "bad line". Don't mix apples with oranges. That is not what your original message was insinuating. [I][B]As far as returning the money to the cage many people, I grant, would not say anything but many more would say something right away. You only returned the money days later to assuage your own guilt. Probably after the cashier had been fired. Not very honorable in my book.[/B] [/I] I tried to save time and space and not go into the full story. When it happened I was downtown slumming and partying with some colleagues. We were having a good time getting drunk off the frozen hurricane drinks you can get down the street at the "new orleans style beads give-a-way place"....I was very drunk when I cashed out. Not a good enough excuse not to correct the error right away but the alcohol def had me second guessing my count. After I sobered up and had a chance to get back down there after feeling bad about it for 3 days playing in WSOP events I made the trek back downtown and explained what happened to the cage manager. The cashier in question wasn't on duty but they did check her count at the approximate day/time of the overpayment and sure enough she was $208 short that night (don't know where the other $8 went)....Manager said she was never in danger of being fired but it did save her having to make up the $200 which made me feel right about things in a sober state of mind. You came on here wanting to know "[B]what do I do?[/B]"....after they cancelled all your obvious erroneous wagers placed at lines that any swinging dick would know were mistakenly entered. I'll bite here....what were you expecting to hear? What were you thinking about doing? Finding a new local because he wouldn't honor your false wagers and after all you have lost for 10 years to the guy? I'm not being facetious either. What options were you considering?

(La Bayou. That's where you were. The best casino in Las Vegas that closes at 2 a.m.)

[QUOTE=joelshitshow;21545](La Bayou. That's where you were. The best casino in Las Vegas that closes at 2 a.m.)[/QUOTE] We call it the "football" place... They put those drinks in a plastic football. A buddy of mine fumbled on his first carry all over the sitdown blackjack table close to the cage at Binions. It wasn't a pretty site but at least he got a nickname out of it. :)