CIty Center, Disaster Looming??

CIty Center, Disaster Looming?? I really just don't get this place. Veer Towers...........Two of the ugliest buildings in North America. Harmon..........will it ever open? water Features? I was underwhelmed. LOVE the Fountains at Bellagio, the Volcano, like the Wynn Waterfall. Aria has a good fountain, I guess. Crystals has some nice looking water vortexes.......but I like the fountains at BARLEYS as much than those vortexes. Acess? DISASTER. No I-15 entrance, and traffic is a gridlock........arggggh. HOW can MGM not have gotten an I-15 ramp at least INTO the place, from N Bound traffic. South Point for a year had no such ramp. I never went. ONce they opened it, I was there 3 x a week. Art. I don't get it. 3mm dollar canoes piled on top of each other, etc? Shopping? Disaster. Monorail access from Bellagio is terrible. Further. the long long walk is bleak, barren, stark and the non parallell lines in the mall make my head hurt. The forum sharps at Caesars, Hell even the Planet Hollywood shops SMOKES this barren, ugly place with lots of walls, few vendors, no low price outs, no benches to sit on. Value? Maybe for the rooms come April!, but the drinks are expensive. REALLY expensive. And I don't see any value/low price stuff. If I'm hungry in Crystals where do I get a Soft Pretzel? Or a snack?? Cmon now. Relaxation? Uh.........no. I-15 noise ROARING in the back of the propertis, the Strip up front. Cars and noise everywhere. Aria looks damn good from the outside, but the poker room is too loud IMO (not a separate room), and the sport book is not my cup of tea at all. Lounge type sports book just don't get it done. I LOVE big ASS cirucular sports books with BIG screens, and BIG Betting boards. Hilton, Mirage, Caesar's. ALmost as good, BIG ASS rectangular books with Large boards, large screens. Green Valley, M. Bay, Bellagio, M, South Point. Aria has very few big screens, and the board is in bizaree strange colors, hard to read, and it looks like 3-4 different rooms. Low ceilings in the Casino make me feel uneasy. Sure, there are lots of overhead stuff to see, but the ceiling is low in the Casino, and I don't like it. 1st impressions F. Where are the info. booths by the monorail?? The greeters welcoming all to this glorious wonder of the world? It felt like I was taking an aiport monorail ride in Atlanta to my terminal. We all have a stake to see City Center succeed. It won't. WAY too many things fundamentally flawed in this property. WAY too much debt financing to succeed. Wynn, Encore, and Bellagio all blow this place out of the water IMO.........

I have yet to visit the property myself (too difficult to get too, not worth the trip) so I can't make any judgements personally but my impression of the place is that it is a complete and utter disaster. It was born in an era of Vegas that does not exist anymore, that of the "build it bigger than any other place, make it more expensive than any other place, and watch the high rollers come in." It's TOO big. Personally I like to feel welcomed and familiar with a casino, but I just don't see how that is possible in this property. It's literally like 5 casinos on 1 property. There just isn't a market for it. It will survive, but they are going to end up having to sell off most of the property as condo's. It also is going to put a lot of old time places out of business that already have 1 foot in the grave (Riviera, Sahara, Circus Circus, etc), soon the Stratosphere is going to completely be an island among itself and the Strip will end at the Wynn (it practically does now). This place has been a disaster from the get go. Way over budget, came very close to bankrupting MGM/Mirage, killed off its workers, workers strike, Harmon being 55% of its original intent...We would be better off without it.

[QUOTE=Fezzik;13641] South Point for a year had no such ramp. I never went. ONce they opened it, I was there 3 x a week......[/QUOTE] there were two exits on either side of I-15 about 2- 3 miles from the south point. it wasn't a major inconvenience.

It wasn't for me, but the lack of an exit was a major complaint when it opened. I remember reading about it in the LVA and its forums. Project City Center will be known as the beginning of the end of Las Vegas. This only makes the Internet more relevant for gaming. If this is the first shoe dropping, repeal of the UIGEA will be the other one. At least I'll be able to retire there in 30 years in a house that costs less than the one I own now.

LOL at that lack of an exit 'no bid deal' at South Point HUGE deal IMO..... HUGE

Its a nice casino, but nothing new or unique about it. We already have too many upscale casinos all vying for the same small customer base. It is amazing though the cost they sunk into it compared to what it delivers. LOL at the fountain comment. Yes, Bellagio fountains nice, City Center fountain looks like it was imported from a Holiday Inn in Des Moines. 8.5 billion, recently revalued at 4 billion at opening. In my book betting 8.5 billion and having 4 billion in chips left in front of you is not good. Where does it go from here? Hard to be optimistic. Amazing how stupid casino managers are, just amazing. Still chasing after a failed business plan of soak the rich customer at every turn ( Not so many rich people anymore especially since many were spending fictional home equity that evaporated). Casino management went way overboard with the "Vegas always wins, never bet against Vegas" philosophy. Aladdin, spend 2 billion, no strip entrance. Monorail, great idea, horrific execution. Great if you want to go from the Sahara to the convention center. How do you mess up expensive mass transportation in an era where people are whining about high gas prices? Nearly impossible, but it was accomplished. Casino management did not want it running down the strip. Now its out of sight and out of mind. They got a disease in this town where they thought you could build anything, even if it was nonsensical and fall back on the "Vegas always wins, never bet against it" philosophy. Even crazier than expecting City Center to somehow make it, these morons in town had much grander plans. Right next door is the rotting hulk of the Cosmopolitan. And we have the Fountainbleu sitting and waiting for help to open. Stardust, Frontier? empty holes in the ground for even further City Center type disasters. Who the hell are these idiots running these casino corporations? I'm sure they have their golden parachutes packed, some have already retired, the rest will be joining them on the golf course at Pebble Beach soon. But Vegas? good luck digging out!

[QUOTE=Fezzik;13662]HUGE deal IMO..... HUGE[/QUOTE] why was it such a big deal. certainly more convenient now but before the exit there was exit 31 and exit 27. unless you're on foot, neither was a hassel.

The bad reports I read about Crystals did not do it nearly enough injustice. What a joke that place is. I heard a tourist say City Center looks like they plunked a piece of downtown Houston on the strip. Houston is known for traffic and sprawl. Its an ugly city, I drove thru it once. LOL, but the tourist was right, that is exactly what City Center looks like, downtown Houston. Big glass soulless skyscrapers. Who says themed casinos are dead? City Center is the first Houston themed resort on the strip.

[QUOTE=EdTeach;13645]I have yet to visit the property myself (too difficult to get too, not worth the trip) [/QUOTE] going to disagree. Helmut or someone must have been releasing a college hoops under. I parked at NY-NY, look at the board there, bet under 131.5 pinny said 129. walked to the fabulous city center, bet under 131.5 there again. had to lay -120 though. LOL. retards. worth the trip? sure the bet won.

[QUOTE=blackout;13716]going to disagree. Helmut or someone must have been releasing a college hoops under. I parked at NY-NY, look at the board there, bet under 131.5 pinny said 129. walked to the fabulous city center, bet under 131.5 there again. had to lay -120 though. LOL. retards. worth the trip? sure the bet won.[/QUOTE] Subtract the added juice from the value of the 2.5 points on the total, the low limits and the tread you wore off your nikes, and the gas, and you got enough value to buy 2 dead flies. What does the bet winning have to do with the trip being worth it? EV and results are two different things. I'm going to have to ask you to turn in your sharp license. Report to the rail.