NHL Tuesday by ColonialBlue

NHL Tuesday by ColonialBlue I doubt I'm going to be the only one to pick this game, but I will post it [B]FIRST[/B] :) COL v MIN UNDER 5.5 @ -140 Only thing worse than Minnesota's scoring is Columbus' scoring. Look for this one to go under
[B]WINNER! WINNER![/B] Seriously? No one else chose this game??? I sincerely thought I would be the first of many 'cappers on this board to post this one.
Not a lot of hockey action on these boards. Especially early in the season there will be some great opportunities. Fading the Panthers has been money in the bank. Overvalued because they finally made the playoffs and a brutal early schedule:)
Ive actually found better opps on the Grand Salami and home/away type of bets. Some of those have [B]ridiculous [/B]value in them. I just made the previous comment because this game jumped off my analysis sheets right from the get-go. I really thought other people would see it too.

They didn't. Not at this board and not in the world. Obviously, you liked the play and from your write up in the thread I started your using analysis to come up with your figures. If you have won consistently at hockey previously no doubt you'll get attention for your plays. If the plays you post win consistently, you'll get attention in the very near future! You recommended under 5.5-140 but the sharpest sports books in the world had this game at under 5.5-130; the play was available at Matchbook at under 5.5-125 I saw on my screen. You're using a model to come up with your own numbers but obviously none of us know anything about your model. The sports books or their consultants have the use of databases and analysis and come up with numbers as well. Quite honestly, I'd take more seriously someone who said "You know I think Minnesota and Columbus aren't going to score very much tonight" than someone who says "You know I think Minnesota and Columbus aren't going to score very much tonight....because of my model and I don't know any players or watch hockey". On this game alone coincidentally there were 2 factors involved that I was aware of and mentioned in my own thread. The fact Mason was starting in goal and that Columbus arrived same day to the city. No offense but I just don't see how you have a model that incorporates those factors. The fact that I won both bets on this game 3-2 and I sweated out a late PP and an EN to keep it at 5----I was grateful for the win as you should be on the under. If you're finding ridiculous value in so many plays, the only guaranteed bet I'll make is that your models are WRONG. That is just the facts. Plenty of people have models for hockey totals who are betting decent money and guess what? They really weren't betting much of anything it seemed and if they were betting it seemed to be slightly over. You'll need to win and post hundreds of these before anyone will care (at least who is a pro.)
1 - Settle down. 2 - As I posted in another thread, I'm not an innovator. There's too many good texts & whitepapers on sportsbetting and hockey in particular for me to create my own system. Writing my own system would be like sitting down to write my own version of Moby Dick. I merely read a lot and can program the heck out of any computer. I've taken various pieces of knowledge and combined it with an NHL data service to create my own database that spits out reports that give me an idea of where the market should be. I find the overlays from that. So I'm not professing to bringing anything new to the table here, I just know how to implement systems and I only do what the math tells me to do. I think that involving a lot of personal (ie biased) analysis into wagering is dangerous and try to avoid it at all costs.
There is a difference between bias and context. One of you is subjective, the other objective. THIS IS WHY BOOKMAKERS WIN with such small juice. The two of you should be collaborating because you're both right, at half of the story. Where both models agree, you could have a 60% probability of winning. We don't get nearly enough quant guys here, so I admit to wanting to protect them, but as a former numbers guy myself, I know, ahem, there is a social chip on their shoulders that can become tough to deal with at times. We all benefit when we can swallow a little bit. I'm not going to belabor the point any further. This rant of mine is probably already too much. I'm just hoping, if it's your first go-round on the carousel, that you can get a clearer picture of why you're getting the reaction you're getting.
You're assuming I care about reactions :) I'm wagering my own money my own picks. Don't really care about reactions.
Joel, I don't think there is anything that I do that isn't really analytical. I analyze the games, evaluate the probabilities, gather information about the game, review the screen who is dealing the best numbers, etc. Making a bet involves all of these factors. Unless of course you see an off number then you just bet it and save yourself a bunch of time. Or you instantly recognize a factor isn't incorporated into a line and you can bet it. It is a solely database system that isn't analytical. It provides information but limited business intelligence. First off, what is the information? The average goals of Columbus scored so far this year? The average goals scored by Columbus vs. Minnesota this year? An accurate hockey dynamic totals model would be a scope of a project that would involve simulations with specification of the players and who is in the lineup, penalties for power plays, ice time, referee and tendencies generally and with these teams if known, likely matchups of lines of one team vs. the other and likely strategies for the game on the date we're talking about. And this simulation would need alot of assumptions that if they're wrong of course would effect the results. A database yields pretty simple analysis. Certainly some interesting information but may not be intelligence. Now guys who work a DB model on 1st period or 2nd period scoring obviously they might be able to get more intelligence out of it but it is likely the handicapper who can capitalize more by recognizing when the "averages" won't apply to the particular game you're talking about is going to be more successful. if CB wants to share what his database is doing that would be great. I'd be happy to trash it like everything else and why it didn't apply. That will take me a minute. This applies beyond CB. I do respect alot of Professor Meyer's work but I had no problem discounting some of his work and I've had some major laughs on this board with Dr. Bob's "perverse" NBA work when he drifts off into some totally inacurrate analysis. Without any real evidence or discussion I'm assuming this is some simplified analysis of average goals scored through 5 games, etc. Whatever it is, it won't be more sophisticated then the numbers the book comes up to begin with is my guess. I've already clarified that if someone consistently wins, sure we can make an exception. That is not one play or 50 plays or 100 plays. ANYONE who tells me their models are flagging huge value if you've gambled or invested about one minute in this world if you aren't way more skeptical than excited about that result, you're misguided. I know I read something about modeling player receptions or completions with the Poisson distribution in one of CB's notes. What a laugh I got out of that no offense.
For someone that write a lot you don't seem to understand that there is a number and a *price*. Evaluating numbers is futile - the casinos have done that. I evaluate price. As I've stated before in some cases I will *use the casino number* in my analysis and still find overlays. The numbers are out there and prices get out of whack. I capitalize on those price differentials.