Pacquiao-Mayweather chances slim

[QUOTE=mose;23981]would love to see sergio martinez vs pacman, both fight kinda awkward and have tremendous heart.[/QUOTE] It will never happen. Martinez wants to fight at 160. Pacquiao should be fighting at 140. BTW, Martinez would ruin Pacquiao in UGLY fashion. He is far to big for Pacquiao.
Is there that big a difference between 140 and 160? Not being a boxing expert, I'll take your word for it. Apparently, SIZE DOES MATTER - pardon the humor, I couldn't resist.
[QUOTE=bigrobbie;24023]Is there that big a difference between 140 and 160? Not being a boxing expert, I'll take your word for it. Apparently, SIZE DOES MATTER - pardon the humor, I couldn't resist.[/QUOTE] ...huh,,, that's what your girlfriend was talking about... J/K The smaller the fighter the more the weight matters. It is really hard to believe that 2 or 3 pounds on a 115 pound guy makes that much of a difference but it does. Its because they often have to lose 10-20 pounds of water to make weight. Martinez probably walks around at 170-175 and Pacquiao at about 140-145.
Maybe "members" needs to go to another Pretty Boy Mayweather backyard BBQ to get the scoop :)

We don't really know how good this Martinez can become. He truly is a athlete, and has a huge heart, a bit ackward fighter but very effeceint. Dark in, throw a few and get out basically, and good luck trying to corner him.
[QUOTE=mose;24048]We don't really know how good this Martinez can become. He truly is a athlete, and has a huge heart, a bit ackward fighter but very effeceint. Dark in, throw a few and get out basically, and good luck trying to corner him.[/QUOTE] 160 (middleweight) is a weak division these days. Martinez is a very good fighter but don't over hype him. He did lose to Williams in a tight fight and yes he made Pavlik look bad but Pavlik was tailor made for his style and was beyond weight drained for that fight. I like him, but he is beatable and at 35, he is no spring chicken. There more then a few guys at 154 that would give him problems, and he can forget about 168 where he'd get killed by the top guys. Martinez is already getting pushed to fight Williams by HBO. All these guys are trying to cash big and there just isn't huge money available for them. Pacquiao and Mayweather, in America, are the meal ticket and none of these guys will get a shot at either of them. I'd like to see Martinez vs Williams II. It was a great fight the first time, though Williams has talked about dropping to 147 to try to get bigger money fights. No one wants to fight him at 147, he's just to freakishly large for that weight. He can't go up to 168 because he'll get a serious beat down. He's stuck and hopefully HBO will pony up and get him to fight Martinez again.
Tru, how do you think a Paul Williams/ Manny Pacquiao would play out, would williams come in to the fight just to big for manny or do you think his long active jab would keep him off and eventually wear manny down, I think manny's speed could really get to williams and be the difference late.
[QUOTE=mose;24053]Tru, how do you think a Paul Williams/ Manny Pacquiao would play out, would williams come in to the fight just to big for manny or do you think his long active jab would keep him off and eventually wear manny down, I think manny's speed could really get to williams and be the difference late.[/QUOTE] It really isn't worth thinking about. There is 0 chance that Williams would get a crack at Pacquiao. Pacquiao doesn't handle straight right hands well and Williams not only possesses one, it comes from the other side of the ring. Williams would have a 15 inch reach advantage. No chance this fight occurs. Williams uses his length well and would easily win the fight, probably by middle to late KO. 7 to 8 inches in height as well. That is if Williams can even get down to 147 anymore.
[url]https://bleacherreport.com/articles/423320-arum-called-out-for-lying-by-top-rank-insider-days-before-ellerbe[/url] Defending Bob Arum is quite hard for a number of reasons. He's a famous liar, well-known to veteran fans as a promoter that tends to totally exaggerate negotiations to ensure that he comes out looking holier than thou. Team Mayweather wasn't even the first to make these claims. It's been coming out of his own camp. Michael Marley, the day after Arum's infamous "teleconference," came right out and said it. This was days before Leonard Ellerbe spoke. Marley, a Top Rank/Pacquiao writer, and a close friend of Arum's, was just as perplexed by Arum's deadline. He didn't get it; he couldn't work out what Arum was up to. So he went digging. He spoke to his Top Rank people, and was shocked with the answer. Again, this was days before Ellerbe spoke. Negotiation just hadn't been happening. They'd started, briefly, but capitulated almost instantly, according to Marley. Marley claimed that Arum had only spoken to Greenburg once, months ago. And that conversation was little more than Arum telling him his demands. Demands that Golden Boy just weren't interested in. That's basically it. No meetings, no talks, no agreements, no contracts, no deals. Bob Arum, according to Marley, just spent the next five weeks "blowing smoke to the media," to try and confuse the situation and giving the impression that he was breaking his back to make the deal. When in truth, Mayweather vs. Pacquiao was the last thing Arum wanted for 2010. Why did the talks fail? According to Marley, contrary to most reports, Pacquiao was unwilling to move an inch on drug testing. And Mayweather was unwilling to move an inch on money. Pretty predictable. As another example of the way Arum operates, it also turns out that "Pacquiao accepting 14 days" was just more "smoke" as part of the Arum charade. The original quote from Pacquiao was 100 percent fake. Arum has admitted as much. The second quote from Pacquiao was real, but for PR purposes. Pacquiao's manager denied it was accurate, when quizzed soon after. To confirm the charade, only days ago, Arum was asked straight up, what drug terms Pacquiao had agreed to and he was unable to give an answer. This is a man who had an agreement with Mayweather's people? He couldn't even answer what the supposed drug agreement was? So what actually happened? According to Marley, Arum made these claims days before anyone from team Mayweather spoke out. Well, Arum has allegedly been fixing a Pacquiao vs. Margarito bout in the Middle East for months. But he knew full well that he couldn't make the fight without being seen to be trying to make Mayweather vs. Pacquiao first. Plus, HBO, after pressure from Golden Boy, flat out told him that he'd have to approach Mayweather first, or they would not work on a Margarito fight. Arum, according to Marley, approached Greenburg with his terms for the fight. Terms, Marley suspects, that were never going to be accepted. Terms, that in regards to drug testing, were even worse than the last fight. That's basically it. Golden Boy felt Arum was not being serious, and had no intention of negotiating further. Arum played the media, and proclaimed that he was "waiting for Floyd to accept his offer." Which, I guess, was technically true. The big lie came with Arum's claims that these terms had been negotiated and accepted. Marley claims that this is just 100 percent false. There were no real talks. No deals. No agreements. No contracts. In a strange way, neither side is technically lying. Most likely, after taking legal advice, they've worded it all very carefully. Arum claimed that he was waiting for Mayweather to agree to his offer, and had been dealing with Greenberg. The problem being, his dealings with Greenberg amounted to one conversation in which he sent him an awful offer, knowing full well it wouldn't work. No negotiations, talks, or discussions whatsoever. Arum's offer. Countdown clock. Lots of BS about "terms being agreed by both sides." Mayweather's people are technically speaking the truth as well. There were never any negotiations, talks, agreements, deals. Just Arum blowing smoke to the press. Why did Arum exaggerate his efforts so much? Because he wanted to set up Margarito vs. Pacquiao and couldn't justify it without trying to pin the blame on someone else. Golden Boy? Well Marley claims that there quite literally was a gag order. It's just the fact that the negotiations ended after about two days. You can tell when the fight fell through. Arum started talking to the media twice a day! Marley claims that Golden Boy's position with Arum is to just let him talk, and not justify his claims with replies, safe in the knowledge that most of the sport world knows he talks out of his behind. Arum could well find himself in a tough position, however. Dan Raphael reported that Ellerbe is not only one of the most honest guys in boxing, he's also been speaking to Greenberg regularly for weeks. These daily conversations have reportedly gone on after his claim that basically either Greenberg or Arum is a stone cold liar. Which suggests to most that Greenberg agrees with his pronouncement. Again, Marley is a Top Rank guy, and a noted Pacquiao backer. He reported that Arum's claims of "negotiations" and "agreements" were phony, days before any Mayweather person made any comment. Mayweather's guy's wording is probably a bit controversial, and not 100 percent true, but both Marley and Ellebre are basically singing from the same hymn sheet. Arum completely and utterly exaggerated all claims of "agreements," "deals," "contracts," and "negotiations." Good stuff.
Above article? See below Try not to LOL-What most of us knew all along [url]https://msn.foxsports.com/boxing/stor...ur-time-072610[/url] Pretty Boy needs to protect his face. About a week ago, UFC boss Dana White ran into Floyd Mayweather at the Hard Rock in Vegas. “When’s this fight gonna happen?” asked White referring to the prospect of Mayweather-Manny Pacquiao. NO LAUGHING MATTER Mayweather and Pacquiao not reaching a deal severely hurts boxing. Inside Fights “What do you care?” said Mayweather. “You got the UFC.” “I’m a boxing fan,” said White, who is, in fact, a boxing fan, and from way back. “Well, I’m not desperate,” sneered Mayweather. Desperate? Who said anything about desperate? The man who calls himself “Money” stood to gain between $45 and $60 million fighting Pacquiao, depending on whom you believe. Instead, Mayweather (undefeated in 41 fights) — whose camp has long argued his hypothetical superiority over the likes of such scrubs as Sugar Ray Robinson (with a mere 202 pro bouts) and Muhammad Ali — takes a pass on history and fortune, leaving Pacquiao to fight … Antonio Margarito. Margarito, you may recall, isn’t licensed to fight in the United States, as other state commissions honor the ruling of California, which suspended him after his trainer was caught applying plaster inserts to his handwraps. Without loaded gloves, Margarito was demolished by Shane Mosley. That was January ’09. His one fight since was a lackluster effort against somebody or other in Mexico. Still, the cheater (and cheating in boxing, where men can be ruined for life, is a bit more egregious than cheating in, say, baseball or chess) is being rewarded. Perhaps it’s needless to say, or merely redundant, that Margarito and Pacquiao are both promoted by Bob Arum. Cynical? Yes. Despicable? Perhaps. But blame Arum? No. Hell no. Not this time. I’m with Dana White here, a guy who’s had his public spats with both Mayweather and Arum. “It’s Floyd Mayweather’s fault,” he says. “You’re supposed to be a professional.” Fighters are supposed to fight. What’s more, great fighters are obliged to fight other great ones. “You claim to be the best in the world,” says White. “You should take on the best until you retire, cement your place in history.” That’s easy for White to say. After all, he controls his fighters. If that’s a subject for another day, it’s also the biggest single reason that mixed-martial arts has overtaken boxing in all but the most rarefied pay-per-view levels. Whatever combat aesthetic you fancy (I prefer boxing), the UFC guarantees that the best fight the best. In boxing, you hope and wait two years, and get what? Pacquiao-Margarito. “For denying them this fight, boxing fans should never buy another Floyd Mayweather fight as long as they live,” says White. I’m not prepared to do it — if Mayweather deigns to fight again, I’ll be there, front and center — but I surely understand the sentiments. Everybody from the most casual fans to those with a money stake desperately wanted this fight to happen — except for one guy. That would be Mayweather himself. It's not Manny Pacquiao's fault that we haven't seen him fight Floyd Mayweather yet. David J. Phillip The peculiar thing is, he’s not far removed from his most ennobling moment. It came, somewhat improbably, as Mosley wobbled him with a right hand in the second round of their fight at the MGM. Mayweather had never been hurt like that, certainly not as a pro. But he kept his composure and came back to dominate the remaining rounds, more willing than usual to trade punches. What happened? Mayweather was asked. “What happened is, I’m a fighter.” Then you should fight, no? Next, he was asked about Manny Pacquiao and the negotiations that fell apart apart last winter when Mayweather suddenly became a proponent of Olympic-style drug testing. “If Manny takes the test,” he said, “we can make the fight happen.” Negotiations for Pacquaio-Mayweather began anew the next day, May 2, according to a statement to be released later today by HBO Sports president Ross Greenburg. “I had been negotiating with a representative from each side,” says Greenburg, “… carefully trying to put the fight together.” Suddenly, drug-testing wasn’t much of an issue. Apparently, Pacquiao agreed to Olympic-style testing that would conclude just two weeks before the fight. The negotiations, with Greenburg as the go-between, lasted about eight weeks. Arum represented Pacquiao. Mayweather was represented by Al Haymon. By reputation, Haymon is extremely bright, inscrutable, and wise enough to never, ever be quoted. He’s a businessman, and if nothing else recognized that Mayweather-Pacquiao was great business. A source close to the negotiations estimates that the pie — to be split evenly between Pacquaio and Mayweather — could’ve been worth in excess of $120 million with pay-per view revenue and site fees. At three million pay-per-view buys, each fighter stood to collect between $50 and $55 million. At a more modest two million buys, they’d each get about $40 million. By June, the fight seemed a lock. Oscar De La Hoya, whose Golden Boy Promotions partners with Mayweather, was quoted as saying: “The two fighters now realize that this fight must be made … It's going to be a big, big fight. I think right now we are very, very close in finalizing the contracts.” On Monday, when Robert Morales of BoxingScene.com caught up with De La Hoya in Los Angeles, the Golden Boy denied it all. “Obviously,” he said, “negotiations weren’t going on.” Obviously. De La Hoya knew this because last week, after negotiations broke down, Mayweather advisor Leonard Ellerbe issued a press release. “No negotiations have ever taken place,” it read. “... Either Ross Greenburg or Bob Arum is not telling the truth, but history tells us who is lying.” Who's the man? We tell you in our pound-for-pound rankings. He was referring to Arum, of course. But now that Greenburg’s release supports Arum’s story, the Mayweather camp has taken to citing a Make A Wish video shot June 2. “At this particular time,” said Floyd Mayweather, “Floyd Mayweather is taking probably a year off, a couple years off from the sport of boxing.” Oh. Then why did Haymon keep negotiating for at least another month? Is he that much of a sucker? “You can’t fault Haymon,” says my source. “He was trying to make this fight.” There were five guys involved here. Four of them — Pacquiao, Arum, Haymon and Greenburg — worked hard to make it happen. The fifth guy killed it. It’s been said that Arum should’ve matched his fighter with Andre Berto or Paul Williams, who, at 6-foot-1 is just too big and long for the 5-4 Pacquiao. But they’re both Haymon fighters. Why should Arum reward the guy who couldn’t deliver Mayweather? Berto and Williams are better fighters than Margarito. But outside of boxing, no one knows their names. At least Margarito — who’ll sell tickets in Mexico, if no where else — has some cachet as a villain. That’s sad. But sadder still is the prospect of another erstwhile heel, a decade from now. Money Mayweather is an ex-fighter. Or maybe not. Still loitering at the Hard Rock, though. “We’ll see,” says Dana White. “We’ll see how desperate he is in 10 years.” __________________ Triplets now 9 months old [url]https://omgwearehavingtriplets.com[/url]