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I'm going to have disagree on the Siver fight. He won the first and the third. Wiman didn't do enough those two rounds. I could see a draw as the second could have been 10-8. l Cruz dominated Faber. I had it at best 49-46 Cruz. When we get to see the punch tracker for the fight, I think everyone will discover how many more punches Cruz landed then Faber did. Faber missed far to often and didn't throw enough in the first place. My only fear in the fight was Cruz having an Adrenaline Dump and I actually think he did. He was gasping from the first round on. It is a testament to his cardio that he didn't really slow down til the 5 round. If they fight again Cruz beats him even worse. The judges for the fight where interesting. The Judge that is primarily a MMA judge was the guy who scored it 50-45. The boxing guy had the the closest. (trowbridge) Great picks Alf. We finally get a break as the next UFC event is a month away. There will be a lot of boxing in the next month, hopefully I can ferret out a few winners.

[url]https://blog.fightmetric.com/2011/07/cruz-vs-faber-ii-official-ufc.html[/url] Above shows the breakdown for the Cruz/Faber fight. The total strikes reported in the link is the same that the UFC reports. Cruz landed 40 more strikes then Faber. He landed more strikes in EVERY round. Cruz was credited with 4 takedowns to 1 for Faber.

Is there a written definition about what constitutes a takedown? In wrestling, a takedown is not awarded until there is control. That doesn't seem to be the case in MMA. I've seen several examples of the announcers calling a takedown where there wasn't one and it seems that it's credited as such in the scoring.

[QUOTE=anthony;44316]Is there a written definition about what constitutes a takedown?[/QUOTE] In MMA for scoring purposes there isn't a written definition of what constitutes anything. Judges are free to score the fight however they want for whatever reasons with what amounts to no guidance whatsoever.

[QUOTE=npc;44319]In MMA for scoring purposes there isn't a written definition of what constitutes anything. Judges are free to score the fight however they want for whatever reasons with what amounts to no guidance whatsoever.[/QUOTE] While it may seem that way sometimes, there are rules. [url]https://www.abcboxing.com/unified_mma_rules.html[/url] I cannot help you Anthony, I cannot account for takedowns. I watch A LOT of fights, and often don't agree with the UFC's webpage when it comes to takedowns. Just like punches landed in boxing it is a bit subjective. It is likely a positional think. It may only count if a shoulder touches the match or something like that. I'm not well versed on wrestling so I cannot compare the two.

My point is, what constitutes a takedown is fully defined in wrestling, so it could be here too if they wanted to. They apparently don't, because many of what they call takedowns are not by the wrestling definition. That hurts a good takedown defender like Faber, who gets in trouble and hits the mat with Cruz on top, but pops up without control being obtained. That happened yesterday and Cruz was credited with a takedown that wasn't.

[QUOTE=anthony;44322]My point is, what constitutes a takedown is fully defined in wrestling, so it could be here too if they wanted to. They apparently don't, because many of what they call takedowns are not by the wrestling definition. That hurts a good takedown defender like Faber, who gets in trouble and hits the mat with Cruz on top, but pops up without control being obtained. That happened yesterday and Cruz was credited with a takedown that wasn't.[/QUOTE] I may be defined somewhere but I didn't find it. Defense is one of the judging criteria. So does a takedown with an immediate escape count for much? Again it is likely subjective. Obviously wrestling counts well in MMA. We have a bunch of Lay and Pray guys getting wins all the time. I know that the UFC would like to change the rules regarding that, but the athletic commissions have the control. Do those "flash" takedowns count for anything? Yes they likely do for many judges. It can be the difference in a close round. Cruz and other fighters do it right at the end of a round because they know two things. 1 they won't get submitted because there isn't enough time and 2 that it could get a close round moved into there column.

I would have scored Wiman with a 10-8 second round. There should be a re-match.