"With VP, quarters are definitely the denomination to play."
Not true if you are interesting in gaining any significant level of comps, offers and recognition. Anyone getting comped Hugo's meals on your marketing offers with quarter play? Anyone making Diamond at Caesars resorts primarily on 25c VP? Anyone getting a Suite and Gold card in Sams with quarter play? Anyone getting invited to drawings with gourmet dinners and with each person guaranteed to win at least $200 in cash (with an EV of $400) on quarter play? Anyone getting $400 freeplay with your offers from casino with quarter VP? How much are you paying for your room at Bellagio (since you say that comps don't add too much value with the inexpensive easy room rates... and make sure to add the resort fee that you're paying and I'm not). Chime in! ;-)
"meals are so inexpensive in Vegas "
Where and what are you eating? Hot dogs? Or king crab legs? Where are you finding inexpensive king crab legs that I am eating comped on my trip? How many meals have you had at Bobby Flay's Mesa Grill and what was your total check? Tell me how many hands of 25c VP it would take to pay for that meal in expected wins + comps.
What's a full day VP for the typical VP player? 4,000 hands would be 6-7 hours of play. That's $5,000 coin in on quarters. What would be a average comp % for coin in? 0.2%? That's $10 in comps for a day. Good enough for a hot dog fries and a beer for the day? Definitely the denomination to play, eh?
"It's rare that a good $0.25 paytable improves at the $0.50 or $1 level."
I know of several machines when the paytable improves at the $1 level. Many cases when 9/6 is available at $1 level and up, but less for lower level.
" I know that's heresy here, but the days of Comp City are gone, people, there are very few crumbs left to chase."
Since you are a quarter player, how would you be knowledgeable on what comps higher level players are receiving to make that statement? I have been playing for years, and can say that although I have to be selective, I generate more comps than ever, while playing WITH A EV NEAR 100%.
NOW... if you want to say that you are a quarter player that pays $29 for a room and eats hot dogs for dinner, and that's your thing, and $1 play is too rich for your finances, that's fine. I have no problem with that. (Unlike you, I won't categorize a preference that differs from mine as "foolish") But allow for the rest of us that don't think that quarters are "definitely the denomination to play". Your statement should be quarters are definitely the denomination to play for YOU, given your preferences and situation.
One more thing. Does Bob Dancer play low denominations or high? Why is that if quarters are definitely the denomination to play?
Not true if you are interesting in gaining any significant level of comps, offers and recognition. Anyone getting comped Hugo's meals on your marketing offers with quarter play? Anyone making Diamond at Caesars resorts primarily on 25c VP? Anyone getting a Suite and Gold card in Sams with quarter play? Anyone getting invited to drawings with gourmet dinners and with each person guaranteed to win at least $200 in cash (with an EV of $400) on quarter play? Anyone getting $400 freeplay with your offers from casino with quarter VP? How much are you paying for your room at Bellagio (since you say that comps don't add too much value with the inexpensive easy room rates... and make sure to add the resort fee that you're paying and I'm not). Chime in! ;-)
"meals are so inexpensive in Vegas "
Where and what are you eating? Hot dogs? Or king crab legs? Where are you finding inexpensive king crab legs that I am eating comped on my trip? How many meals have you had at Bobby Flay's Mesa Grill and what was your total check? Tell me how many hands of 25c VP it would take to pay for that meal in expected wins + comps.
What's a full day VP for the typical VP player? 4,000 hands would be 6-7 hours of play. That's $5,000 coin in on quarters. What would be a average comp % for coin in? 0.2%? That's $10 in comps for a day. Good enough for a hot dog fries and a beer for the day? Definitely the denomination to play, eh?
"It's rare that a good $0.25 paytable improves at the $0.50 or $1 level."
I know of several machines when the paytable improves at the $1 level. Many cases when 9/6 is available at $1 level and up, but less for lower level.
" I know that's heresy here, but the days of Comp City are gone, people, there are very few crumbs left to chase."
Since you are a quarter player, how would you be knowledgeable on what comps higher level players are receiving to make that statement? I have been playing for years, and can say that although I have to be selective, I generate more comps than ever, while playing WITH A EV NEAR 100%.
NOW... if you want to say that you are a quarter player that pays $29 for a room and eats hot dogs for dinner, and that's your thing, and $1 play is too rich for your finances, that's fine. I have no problem with that. (Unlike you, I won't categorize a preference that differs from mine as "foolish") But allow for the rest of us that don't think that quarters are "definitely the denomination to play". Your statement should be quarters are definitely the denomination to play for YOU, given your preferences and situation.
One more thing. Does Bob Dancer play low denominations or high? Why is that if quarters are definitely the denomination to play?
