Do APs retire??

I've been reading Bob Dancer's columns, which have been increasingly focusing on his accumulating infirmities, surgeries, etc. and how they are making it difficult for him to play, be present for drawings, etc. Why on earth does he need to play? Didn't he write a book some thirty-odd years ago about how he made a million bucks playing video poker? Does he still need to earn money, or can he just not reconcile himself to a life of retirement and ease with his wife, who he takes pains to tell us, is not his intellectual equal (really, the disparaging stuff he says about her...jeez)?

 

All the gambling gurus from the great VP heydays kept playing until they keeled over or are still at it long past retire-to-Florida-and-play-golf age. And it seems like they died lonely. I got off the AP bandwagon many years ago; it was for a while my sole source of income, and a good income, at that, but...it was an empty existence. I created nothing; I contributed nothing. All I did was intercept a tiny fraction of the money that was headed from players' pockets to the casinos. Whee. Teaching third grade was FAR more fulfilling, even though I earned less than half as much (but at least THAT job had benefits).

 

Gambling is fun, and/or a decent profession, but...it's not a life. And it's brutally difficult to quit, even long past the time when you should have.

I am retired and financially secure. AP is a diversion just like golf or bowling.

 

We (Mrs. Don and I) play almost every day but just for a couple of hours, usually after eating breakfast in the casino or before having lunch there. 

 

True that it does not define who I am and there are other interactions that do.

 

Originally posted by: Don the Dentist

I am retired and financially secure. AP is a diversion just like golf or bowling.

 

We (Mrs. Don and I) play almost every day but just for a couple of hours, usually after eating breakfast in the casino or before having lunch there. 

 

True that it does not define who I am and there are other interactions that do.

 


Yeah, I was referring to full-time pro APs. There's one guy who used to haunt all the mom and pop casinos in Montana, looking for positive plays on progressive keno machines. Every casino in Montana is small (20 machines max), so he sometimes didn't find any plays, or sometimes he'd hit what was there and that would be it. Then he'd get in his car and drive to the next place. Round and round. All over Montana. Over and over.

 

I don't care how lucrative that was (and I'm guessing, not very), but however it was or wasn't, what a life! Yecch!

 

The guy's name just came to me, I think--Mickey Crimm??

Been at this for quite a while.  Wayyyy back to the days of Player's board, Lodestone's, etc.   In fact, I remember Kevin posting some solid material on Players old bulletin board some 25+ years ago.   Are you the same Kevin L?   

 

Ran full time from 2003-2013.   It's in the blood and I still love the hustle but I have no desire to be spending 4-5 days per week on the road anymore.    Won a ton of money but also lived a lifestyle that wasn't healthy.  A lot of it I miss...but a lot more I don't.  

Edited on Feb 23, 2024 10:50am

Originally posted by: mannydogpro

Been at this for quite a while.  Wayyyy back to the days of Player's board, Lodestone's, etc.   In fact, I remember Kevin posting some solid material on Players old bulletin board some 25+ years ago.   Are you the same Kevin L?   

 

Ran full time from 2003-2013.   It's in the blood and I still love the hustle but I have no desire to be spending 4-5 days per week on the road anymore.    Won a ton of money but also lived a lifestyle that wasn't healthy.  A lot of it I miss...but a lot more I don't.  


That sounds awfully familiar. I posted now and then on all the various info boards, and never used a pseudonym. I remember the Skip Hughes board and how so many people got pissed at me when I pointed out things like opportunity cost and expenses that made "wonderful" plays not so wonderful. They regarded me as a wet blanket. And they went broke. Fuck 'em.

 

AP work is time-consuming to an unhealthy degree. Once again, I refer to Bob Dancer and how he lets promo drawings, etc. etc. rule his life. I distinctly remember when I finally decided that my life was more important than my gambling. I had a very easy swoop-in-and-grab opportunity that was worth $50, with zero risk. But it was on the other side of town. Was it worth it? Only if my time was worth less than $26 an hour and gas was free!

If the juice is worth the squeeze, who are we to say what is acceptable for another player? :)
Personally, I look at EV for just about everything in my semi retired life. Driving across town for $50 is not going to trip my trigger, though I don't look down at someone else for seeing value in that play.

Being semi retired, I finally have the time! Wife and I are getting ready to drive coast to coast playing casinos along the way, re-visit some national treasures along the way, but a healthy mix of some AP and sight seeing.
I think having a partner in crime for full time AP makes the juice worth the squeeze for me. Pretty easy to eat healthier and availability of gyms on the road is a plus for us, at the start of retirement age. Wishing positive variance for all!

Originally posted by: Keith Pettersen

If the juice is worth the squeeze, who are we to say what is acceptable for another player? :)
Personally, I look at EV for just about everything in my semi retired life. Driving across town for $50 is not going to trip my trigger, though I don't look down at someone else for seeing value in that play.

Being semi retired, I finally have the time! Wife and I are getting ready to drive coast to coast playing casinos along the way, re-visit some national treasures along the way, but a healthy mix of some AP and sight seeing.
I think having a partner in crime for full time AP makes the juice worth the squeeze for me. Pretty easy to eat healthier and availability of gyms on the road is a plus for us, at the start of retirement age. Wishing positive variance for all!


I'm curious as to what AP opportunities you might find on a cross-country trip--maybe signup bonuses at the local Scalp the White Man casino? Positive EV promos are pretty much a thing of the past, especially since VP paytables are so uniformly awful. But I guess there are still matchplays and such here and there.

 

The only trouble with visiting casinos while sightseeing is that so many of them are in the middle of nowhere, in places you have no reason to visit. Anything on a rez is, pretty much by definition, on land that the white man found worthless. A couple of exceptions are the Colorado casinos west of Denver and the Black Hills casinos.

 

My favorite casino combo play is Lake Tahoe--but I feel like I'm cheating myself if I spend any time in the casinos. Maybe some evening VP play and a nice dinner.

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

I'm curious as to what AP opportunities you might find on a cross-country trip--maybe signup bonuses at the local Scalp the White Man casino? Positive EV promos are pretty much a thing of the past, especially since VP paytables are so uniformly awful. But I guess there are still matchplays and such here and there.

 

The only trouble with visiting casinos while sightseeing is that so many of them are in the middle of nowhere, in places you have no reason to visit. Anything on a rez is, pretty much by definition, on land that the white man found worthless. A couple of exceptions are the Colorado casinos west of Denver and the Black Hills casinos.

 

My favorite casino combo play is Lake Tahoe--but I feel like I'm cheating myself if I spend any time in the casinos. Maybe some evening VP play and a nice dinner.


I thought your alias name was Mickey Crimm actually.  

Originally posted by: Jerry Ice 33

I thought your alias name was Mickey Crimm actually.  


He only operated in Montana.

Mickey Crimm was a guest on "Gambling with an Edge" several times. He said he traveled all over the country, staying in casinos and hustling slots. To each his own, but it always sounded like a sad, lonesome life to me.  

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