Dumb Guys at the Craps Table

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Tracking past rolls in craps or tracking past hands while playing video poker is all just mental masterbation. To those that practice this folly, it is just reprocessing their data and delving more into their experience. Though it doesn't help anything, it doesn't hurt anything either. I see a scratchbook and pencil come out and I know I'm looking at a person that can sit for hours on end with a bottle of baby oil and a bowed head.
Stu

Oh, as for the iron cross play. You need to have eight/nine rolls between sevens to make up the costs of your bets. Unfortuanately, a seven hits every 6 rolls on average…thus the casino makes money off of you just like everyone else…death by a thousand small cuts.
Stu

I find it amusing for someone to say that the tracking of past rolls is just mental masterbation - and then they say that you need eight/nine rolls between sevens to win money when using the iron cross. Just where did the information come from as to how many rolls of the dice are needed to make money using the iron cross ?- Probably from someone who mentally masterbated the rolls of craps players with a pencil and paper or used a program like excel. You know it alls have all of the answers...

smerrian where did you come up with 8 or 9 rolls to get back in the money?, are you guessing or can you back it with math? you "CAN" be back in the money playing the iron cross in as little as three rolls if you are on a craps table paying triple for a "12".(I know the chances of 3 twelve's coming out in a row are slim but....) For me the average to get back in the money is closer to 6 if it was 8 or 9 I wouldn't play it.
I personally think the advantage (and why I play it) of the iron cross over the $5 pass line bet and single odds(ZZZZZZ) is, if someone goes on a run, the pass line player will make a whopping $10 and I will be making a minimum of $5 on every roll........ "and I have a good number of times"!
Don't get me wrong, I do NOT play the iron cross exclusively. I bet the pass line/don't pass line etc. as the game changes. If everyone makes a point and sevens out on the 1st roll 5,6 or 7 times in a row the iron cross could get expensive.
As far as tracking ones rolls.....if you played craps and tracked your rolls for 2 hours and the results said you made a point and sevened out after two rolls every single time for the past two hours, you would still be throwing money across the board on your next roll? You still wouldn't play the don't side because "the dice have no memory"........the casinos must send limo's to pick you up at the airport.

weggie

weggie

Hey Chilcoot, I've heard of a dice system that that bets the doey don't system. That is bets the come and the don't come simultaneous and .then bets the don't come odds..Still not great odds but its in the book on craps..

The "doey don't system" is something that Frank Scoblete talked about in one of his books.

https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/36936/5-count-doey-dont-betting-strategy

I've also heard about another system that is a $10 pass with a $75 don't pass after the come out, then placing across and placing come bets.

Here's what Shackleford says about Dice Setting:

https://wizardofodds.com/games/craps/appendix/3/