Free Play - Interesting Article

Originally posted by: MaxFlavor

I don't play at the Grand Z, although my brother-in-law likes it, he's not an AP type player. I haven't figured out their slot club, not much info on their website on how it works, and they don't seem to have daily promos. Maybe you can share with me what you find there?

 

If you're there on Tuesday, there are some things you can easily take advantage of, since I'm assuming you're over 50 years old. You can drive from the Grand Z into Black Hawk to The Gilpin, you can park across the street on your left at the valet lot, or drive past the casino and turn into the parking lot on the right to self-park. It's a smaller casino but on Tuesday you can play 100 tier points, that's $800 coin-in and get a voucher for $15 comp at Lucille Malone's restaurant, you also get a random point multiplier that you can activate after the 100 tier points. Just swipe at the kiosk after you hit the 100 tier points and select the over 50 promo. We like Lucille's for the sandwiches and hamburgers, so we play there just enough to get food comps in the mail and $10 free play, usually $10 free play 3 or 4 times a month. There is a decent video poker play there, not +EV right now, I'm just not sure I want to share that info on a public forum.

 

When you are done at The Gilpin, drive over to Ameristar(since you have a bad knee or you can walk), take a right out of the self-parking lot, left at the first traffic light, then you can go straight through the next light to the parking garage, although that takes you to the 5th floor, which usually is busier. I would take a left at the second light, and turn in where it says "valet parking", the left side is self-parking taking you to the 4th floor, usually much less busy. Or you can valet park, if you accidentally go to valet, but want to self-park, just drive through the valet and head up to the 4th floor.

 

If you're 50 or older, from noon to midnight it's 2x's cash multiplier(not great but if you're already there, why not), you have to swipe at the kiosk to activate it. From noon to 5 pm is a free slot tournament for 50 or older, it's set up on a specific set of slot machines. When you get off the elevator from the parking garage, you come to an employee checking IDs of younger people, and an escalator in front of you, make a hard right(don't take the escalator), and then to your right will be the machines.  You can tell it's the right group because they have electronic signs showing the standings of the slot tournament or previous ones.  You put in your player's card and the machine will ask if you want to play in the tournament, follow the prompts.

 

On Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday, you earn a free hotel room at Ameristar by earning 200 tier points, that's $2,000 coin-in, if they have availability. I would expect them to be available. The city-view rooms, don't have much of a view, you pretty much look over the parking garage, so we get the mountain view side. Doesn't matter much if you have a comp, but they do charge a bit more for city view and it's underwhelming. They'll probably charge you the $16.00(?) resort fee.

 

They have decent video poker on certain machines, Tuesday is not a +EV day, but others are.

 

I hope that helps!


I appreciate all the information.  Very detailed.  Thanks so much.

Haha, sorry for all the detail, just my personality.

Originally posted by: MaxFlavor

Haha, sorry for all the detail, just my personality.


No need to apologize.  I enjoy as much detail as possible.

This has probably already been said, but a downside to Free Play is that zero comp points are earned during Free Play.  I like to use them on VP and cash out as soon as "Your free play is completed", since then I have the TITO in that amount of Free Play to turn into cash.  Which I believe is not the case playing free play in slots.

 

Using Free Play is a good way to test a VP machine, as, again, if you don't zoom past your Free Play "bonus" and keep playing and not hitting, you've wasted that Free Play and gotten no comp points (whatever version they are in) for the trouble.  JMHO, and this may already have been  mentioned.  

 

Candy


Originally posted by: O2bnVegas

This has probably already been said, but a downside to Free Play is that zero comp points are earned during Free Play.  I like to use them on VP and cash out as soon as "Your free play is completed", since then I have the TITO in that amount of Free Play to turn into cash.  Which I believe is not the case playing free play in slots.

 

Using Free Play is a good way to test a VP machine, as, again, if you don't zoom past your Free Play "bonus" and keep playing and not hitting, you've wasted that Free Play and gotten no comp points (whatever version they are in) for the trouble.  JMHO, and this may already have been  mentioned.  

 

Candy


Thank you so much for your information.  It's greatly appreciated by me.  I'm a person who always keeps my eyes and ears open to become a better player.  Take care.

Originally posted by: O2bnVegas

This has probably already been said, but a downside to Free Play is that zero comp points are earned during Free Play.  I like to use them on VP and cash out as soon as "Your free play is completed", since then I have the TITO in that amount of Free Play to turn into cash.  Which I believe is not the case playing free play in slots.

 

Using Free Play is a good way to test a VP machine, as, again, if you don't zoom past your Free Play "bonus" and keep playing and not hitting, you've wasted that Free Play and gotten no comp points (whatever version they are in) for the trouble.  JMHO, and this may already have been  mentioned.  

 

Candy


I have thought about this for a while, and I'm unable to decide if it makes a difference to cash out free play for smaller amounts. I'm not a mathematician, so maybe someone here will have some insight.

 

I receive between $80 and $100 free play weekly from my local casino, I plan to play $4,000 to $6,000 coin in when I go to play to earn better comps and increase my potential to hit more Royal Flushes throughout the year. Does it make a difference if I use my free play to play, then put the money in if I lose the free play, that I brought with me to hit my play goal, or use my money and cash out the free play at the end? I don't see a difference. As an example last week, I loaded my free play and hit 2 four-of-a-kinds pretty quickly and never put any money in, finally cashing out $120. Now if it's a larger amount of money I will run it through once and cash out, I won $2,500 in free play last year, sat down at a $1 8/5 Bonus Poker machine, ran it through once and cashed out for $2,645.

 

There is this article where the author had a 270,000 hand royal flush draught and advised cashing out your free play at the end of your session to help manage your bankroll. I found the article last year when I was on a 117,000-hand royal flush drought and was searching for ideas to help weather the storm(the $2,500 free play sure helped).

 

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I forgot to mention in my post, at the casino I go to, once you've run the free play through, you start earning points without needing to cash out and then putting money in.

Originally posted by: MaxFlavor

I have thought about this for a while, and I'm unable to decide if it makes a difference to cash out free play for smaller amounts. I'm not a mathematician, so maybe someone here will have some insight.

 

I receive between $80 and $100 free play weekly from my local casino, I plan to play $4,000 to $6,000 coin in when I go to play to earn better comps and increase my potential to hit more Royal Flushes throughout the year. Does it make a difference if I use my free play to play, then put the money in if I lose the free play, that I brought with me to hit my play goal, or use my money and cash out the free play at the end? I don't see a difference. As an example last week, I loaded my free play and hit 2 four-of-a-kinds pretty quickly and never put any money in, finally cashing out $120. Now if it's a larger amount of money I will run it through once and cash out, I won $2,500 in free play last year, sat down at a $1 8/5 Bonus Poker machine, ran it through once and cashed out for $2,645.

 

There is this article where the author had a 270,000 hand royal flush draught and advised cashing out your free play at the end of your session to help manage your bankroll. I found the article last year when I was on a 117,000-hand royal flush drought and was searching for ideas to help weather the storm(the $2,500 free play sure helped).

 

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For the purpose of bankroll management, there is no difference between free play and cash. Example: a quarter player has $20 in free play and $100 in cash. His session bankroll is 96 bets.

 

When you refer to a royal "drought," I hear you, we've all been there, but you should never alter your play based on how you've been doing recently. The basic strategy for the game(s) you're playing will still be the best you can do. Now, if a royal drought diminishes your bankroll so that your RoR increases to an unacceptable level, you may have to change denoms and/or games.

 

I like to think of it as all one long session. How I do today, or how I've done last week, shouldn't affect how and what I play, and in fact, concentrating too much on the short term can lead to bad decisions--at the very least, to psychological stressors you don't need. I try (and don't always succeed) to be dispassionate. I play $3,000 through the machine while enjoying a 1% advantage. I just made $30 regardless of what the credit meter happens to show at the moment. The casino concentrates on action, not short-term results, and so should I. So a royal drought is just a function of volatility--random fluctuation.

Originally posted by: MaxFlavor

I have thought about this for a while, and I'm unable to decide if it makes a difference to cash out free play for smaller amounts. I'm not a mathematician, so maybe someone here will have some insight.

 

I receive between $80 and $100 free play weekly from my local casino, I plan to play $4,000 to $6,000 coin in when I go to play to earn better comps and increase my potential to hit more Royal Flushes throughout the year. Does it make a difference if I use my free play to play, then put the money in if I lose the free play, that I brought with me to hit my play goal, or use my money and cash out the free play at the end? I don't see a difference. As an example last week, I loaded my free play and hit 2 four-of-a-kinds pretty quickly and never put any money in, finally cashing out $120. Now if it's a larger amount of money I will run it through once and cash out, I won $2,500 in free play last year, sat down at a $1 8/5 Bonus Poker machine, ran it through once and cashed out for $2,645.

 

There is this article where the author had a 270,000 hand royal flush draught and advised cashing out your free play at the end of your session to help manage your bankroll. I found the article last year when I was on a 117,000-hand royal flush drought and was searching for ideas to help weather the storm(the $2,500 free play sure helped).

 

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My point was only to be aware that whether you enter your Players Club code and download Free Play at the beginning, middle, or end of your session, just know that during that time of Free Play play you are earning NO players club points, whether using it in VP or SLOTS.  For most this is minimal for any big downside or loss of points, tier score building, etc., since those take a lot of points to be of benefit/raise the tier score, etc.  It doesn't change how much you win whether playing on your money or on Free Play.  That's all.

 

In a sense, though, regarding how much does Free Play affect the casino's bottom line, since no comp points are earned while playing on FP, that could be a factor.  No points earned, no comps earned, and even for that small duration of time, a zillion players losing that amount of potential comps should be relevant.

 

Candy

 

 

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

For the purpose of bankroll management, there is no difference between free play and cash. Example: a quarter player has $20 in free play and $100 in cash. His session bankroll is 96 bets.

 

When you refer to a royal "drought," I hear you, we've all been there, but you should never alter your play based on how you've been doing recently. The basic strategy for the game(s) you're playing will still be the best you can do. Now, if a royal drought diminishes your bankroll so that your RoR increases to an unacceptable level, you may have to change denoms and/or games.

 

I like to think of it as all one long session. How I do today, or how I've done last week, shouldn't affect how and what I play, and in fact, concentrating too much on the short term can lead to bad decisions--at the very least, to psychological stressors you don't need. I try (and don't always succeed) to be dispassionate. I play $3,000 through the machine while enjoying a 1% advantage. I just made $30 regardless of what the credit meter happens to show at the moment. The casino concentrates on action, not short-term results, and so should I. So a royal drought is just a function of volatility--random fluctuation.


I agree, thanks for the response.

 

 I set my advantage at .7%, kind of a random pick on my part, Bob Dancer recently wrote the minimum he'll play at is 100.3%. So I settled on 100.7% to run a bit more money through the machine.

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