How closely do you adhere to the proper strategies?

I assume that 99% of LVA subscribers a) gamble b) know that for the games where one makes decisions that affect the outcome, such as blackjack, video poker, or Ultimate Texas Hold 'Em, there are optimal strategies. Furthermore, for those games where you don't make a decision that affects the outcome, like craps or slots, there are still some bets that are much better than others. So I'm curious:

 

A) To what extent do you adhere to the proper strategies, when playing games where such strategies exist? Always? Most of the time? Indifferent? Never?

B) To what extent do you make only the best bets that are offered on a given game? Like, for instance, if you play craps, do you only bet Pass or Don't Pass and take odds, or do you sprinkle the layout with hardway and place (other than 6 or 8) bets? 

Edited on Jul 25, 2024 2:46pm
Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

I assume that 99% of LVA subscribers a) gamble b) know that for the games where one makes decisions that affect the outcome, such as blackjack, video poker, or Ultimate Texas Hold 'Em, there are optimal strategies. Furthermore, for those games where you don't make a decision that affects the outcome, like craps or slots, there are still some bets that are much better than others. So I'm curious:

 

A) To what extent do you adhere to the proper strategies, when playing games where such strategies exist? Always? Most of the time? Indifferent? Never?

B) To what extent do you make only the best bets that are offered on a given game? Like, for instance, if you play craps, do you only bet Pass or Don't Pass and take odds, or do you sprinkle the layout with hardway and place (other than 6 or 8) bets? 


Always!  I get annoyed with myself for even small errors.

Originally posted by: Jerry Ice 33

Always!  I get annoyed with myself for even small errors.


Me, too...there are tiny tiny mistakes in FPDW, DB, FPJW that if you make them 100 times, it still doesn't add up to the theoretical loss of one bet...and I still kick myself when I make them.

 

Bob Dancer has gone even further, if you believe his blog posts. He continually illustrates hands where the proper play is worth an additional 0.000000003 bets. I guess that if you know a strategy absolutely cold, you can afford the mental energy to learn and make those tiny adjustments.

 

One thing I've never seen in VP strategy books is how often a critical play will come up in addition to how much doing the right thing is worth. For instance, playing NSUD, a four-flush is worth more than a pair (no deuces). That'll come up over and over, and the gain from doing the right thing is substantial. On the opposite end of the spectrum are plays like in FPDW, you keep 2K10 suited as long as there are no penalty cards...unless one of the discards is a 3. Apparently, the absence of one 3 in the remaining deck makes it more likely to make a straight when you hold a lone deuce. A gain of about one billionth of a bet that comes up about three times a year.

 

 

 

 

I always the proper strategy on VP. Saying that, there are some (many?) one-offs like the one Kevin illustrated above, that are jusy not worth the effort to memorize.

 

But one must employ the proper strategy on games that will have a 100+% return, including comps and cash back. Using proper strategy for 8/5 Jacks or better won't do you any good.


Originally posted by: Don the Dentist

I always the proper strategy on VP. Saying that, there are some (many?) one-offs like the one Kevin illustrated above, that are jusy not worth the effort to memorize.

 

But one must employ the proper strategy on games that will have a 100+% return, including comps and cash back. Using proper strategy for 8/5 Jacks or better won't do you any good.


Well, if shit VP is all that's available where you play (and you could, for instance, be in a market where that's the only VP available, such as Canada or a rez casino), then playing it well will still provide a benefit, as opposed to not learning and using the proper strategy.

 

I would draw the analogy to 6:5 blackjack. You should avoid it altogether, but if you "must" play it, you'll still do best playing Basic Strategy.

I always play proper strategy for my VP play, to the best of my ability, I still practice on WinPoker and I'm usually in the 99.5% range on accuracy. It's not the strategy decisions that I make mistakes on, it's occasionally playing too fast and selecting an option without seeing the better option available.  On 8/5 Bonus, I have done better with that by always looking for low pair first, which eliminates a lot of other options right off the bat, and helps me make sure to see all 5 cards.  

 

I also have my laminated handy-dandy strategy card in my pocket, for some of those pesky 3 card straight flush decisions.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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