The Palms $5 blackjack table: rules / conditions / outcome

We were in Vegas last week and I spent a fair amount of time (about 12 hours total) at the Palms one and only 24/7, $5, 3:2 blackjack game. The rules were DA2, DAS, RSA to four hands, late surrender, and H17. The game is dealt via CSM and I played very early mornings during the week to limit competition for a seat. I was always able to get on at these rooster times. The house edge on this game was calculated at .48%. I often played two hands ( $10 - $30 per hand) to reduce variance and more often than not there were other players at the table; I don't know how much EV was affected if at all by the conditions ( it was always negative). I estimated that I played an average of 80-90 hands per hour ( $1600 -$2000+ action per hour at 2 hands) over the entire course of play. I eeked out a small 3-figure win after 4 days of this type play. The fifth day was the house's catch up day; I was dealt stiff after stiff and 14 seemed to be the typical hand for me during this am session. I lost roughly half of what I'd accumulated the previous four sessions. A somewhat typical swing of blackjack outcomes for a basic strategy player ( although  a small win for four consecutive sessions is likely not typical but quite possible; the mathematicians can calculate those probabilities). Despite all that, 3:2 tables with low limits and decent rules in Vegas are a rarity and , sum total, it was an enjoyable overall experience. 

Edited on Mar 1, 2026 12:03pm

The downside of playing when it's not busy is that you get more hands per hour, which increases your expected loss for any given time frame. That's why I prefer to play at a full table and watch other players struggle to add 7 and 8 ("is that a 21?").

 

Putting $1800 per hour into action x 12 hours is $21,600 total action. That's an EV of right about -$100, assuming you play perfect Basic Strategy.

 

Guessing that your small three-figure win was, let's say, $150, and you lost back half of that, you won $75 overall--when your expectation was to lose $100. Doing this calculation in my head, you were about 1.5 standard deviations above the mean, which translates to about a 16% probability. You'll only do that well in one trip out of every six. Rejoice!

 

Note: I'm assuming that you played 80-90 hands per hour, as you stated, not 80-90 deals. Given that you were playing two hands per deal, the former would be quite slow and the latter would be quite fast. That's why I used your hourly action estimate.

Edited on Mar 1, 2026 1:21pm
Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

The downside of playing when it's not busy is that you get more hands per hour, which increases your expected loss for any given time frame. That's why I prefer to play at a full table and watch other players struggle to add 7 and 8 ("is that a 21?").

 

Putting $1800 per hour into action x 12 hours is $21,600 total action. That's an EV of right about -$100, assuming you play perfect Basic Strategy.

 

Guessing that your small three-figure win was, let's say, $150, and you lost back half of that, you won $75 overall--when your expectation was to lose $100. Doing this calculation in my head, you were about 1.5 standard deviations above the mean, which translates to about a 16% probability. You'll only do that well in one trip out of every six. Rejoice!

 

Note: I'm assuming that you played 80-90 hands per hour, as you stated, not 80-90 deals. Given that you were playing two hands per deal, the former would be quite slow and the latter would be quite fast. That's why I used your hourly action estimate.


I played two hands about 75% of the time and I estimated they dealt about 80-90 rounds ( as a better term) an hour depending on how occupied the table was. It probably averaged 2 other players  as a wild guess, though I had several heads up interludes too. Yipee-ty-yay.

Originally posted by: Nines

I played two hands about 75% of the time and I estimated they dealt about 80-90 rounds ( as a better term) an hour depending on how occupied the table was. It probably averaged 2 other players  as a wild guess, though I had several heads up interludes too. Yipee-ty-yay.


80-90 rounds per hour is quite fast and illustrates how much a CSM speeds up the game. When I dealt handheld single deck back in the 1980s, we were told that we were doing quite well if we managed 60 rounds per hour on a full or mostly full table.

 

When I played, it was with basic card counting on single deck, so I had a small advantage and wanted to get in as many hands as possible, but let's say you're a Vegas turista (Spanish for "sucker") playing $25 6:5 shitjack at the Golden Commode. If you take a bathroom break, you don't play, say, ten hands, so you don't lose (2.5%) x ($250), or $6.25. Peeing instead of playing saves you enough for a Starbucks coffee, which will make you want to pee again, which will save you more money, and thus continues the great circle of life.

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