The Palms $5 blackjack table: rules / conditions / outcome

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

For me, ever since counting became pretty much pointless, the game has been social and a time-killer. I enjoy telling whoever will listen that there's a single best way to play every hand vs. every dealer upcard. I'm most often moved to do that when I see someone with a hard 15 vs. a ten grunting and straining like someone giving birth to a baby porcupine pointed the wrong way, as if they can somehow divine whether or not the dealer has a small card in the hole. Or also, when I observe someone playing horribly and bitching about his bad luck.

 

I'm amused by the fact that if everyone played good (not even perfect) Basic Strategy, the casinos couldn't afford to offer the game. Thus, their profit is Stupid Money.


sURE..SIMILAR TO ALL THE OTHER WAGERS. Generally speaking..with a limited few exclusions.

Originally posted by: Nines

sURE..SIMILAR TO ALL THE OTHER WAGERS. Generally speaking..with a limited few exclusions.


Well, yeah...but there's a good way and a bad way to play almost every game. The interesting thing is that bad play increases the house edge by several hundred percent. BJ with the best rules and perfect play: 0.5%. Worst BJ and bad play:  4% or worse. Craps Pass line w/double odds: 0.6%. Garbage bets like place 4,5,9,10, or hardways and other crap: 2% to 16%.

 

My point is that the casinos make far more money from people being dum-dums than from their inherent advantage. Even slots can be played well or badly, and of course VP. I doubt that the great unwashed masses even comprehend that they could gamble with a less than 1% disadvantage.

"I enjoy telling whoever will listen that there's a single best way to play every hand vs. every dealer upcard."

-Kevin Lewis


Wrong.

 

Sometimes it's wise to insure a blackjack, stand a 12 against a 3, and double a ten against an ace. It depends.

 

Stop smugly peddling unsolicited bad advice to people.

Edited on Mar 6, 2026 8:49pm
Originally posted by: Dan Svatass

"I enjoy telling whoever will listen that there's a single best way to play every hand vs. every dealer upcard."

-Kevin Lewis


Wrong.

 

Sometimes it's wise to insure a blackjack, stand a 12 against a 3, and double a ten against an ace. It depends.

 

Stop smugly peddling unsolicited bad advice to people.


What does it "depend" on in a CSM game??

 

I'll do and say what I want, despite your orders. 

 

If someone is about to make a decision in a shoe or handheld game that's dependent on the count, I'm not going to say, "True count is plus 4, you should stand on that 16" or something like that 

 

Your assholery is unwarranted. The advice I offer is good. And I'm not "peddling" it. 

 

Jerk!


Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

 

I'm amused by the fact that if everyone played good (not even perfect) Basic Strategy, the casinos couldn't afford to offer the game. Thus, their profit is Stupid Money.


You shouldn't be amused, you should be thankful. I'm thankful for all the slot players, bad BJ players, and people who sit down at a game with no idea what the rules are. I heartily welcome them all and let them play unmolested, except for pleasantries and celebrations when the table wins.

 

They pay for everything that I take advantage of at the casino.

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

For me, ever since counting became pretty much pointless, the game has been social and a time-killer. I enjoy telling whoever will listen that there's a single best way to play every hand vs. every dealer upcard. I'm most often moved to do that when I see someone with a hard 15 vs. a ten grunting and straining like someone giving birth to a baby porcupine pointed the wrong way, as if they can somehow divine whether or not the dealer has a small card in the hole. Or also, when I observe someone playing horribly and bitching about his bad luck.

 

I'm amused by the fact that if everyone played good (not even perfect) Basic Strategy, the casinos couldn't afford to offer the game. Thus, their profit is Stupid Money.


Yeah, most Vegas BJ tables claim about a 15% total win / hold % annually; lotsa unskilled play drives the results for the casinos..

Originally posted by: MaxFlavor

You shouldn't be amused, you should be thankful. I'm thankful for all the slot players, bad BJ players, and people who sit down at a game with no idea what the rules are. I heartily welcome them all and let them play unmolested, except for pleasantries and celebrations when the table wins.

 

They pay for everything that I take advantage of at the casino.


Obviously. I'm well aware of that. I'm both amused AND thankful.

 

That said, the stupidity of my fellow humans, overall, costs me more than it helps me. 

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

What does it "depend" on in a CSM game??


You lie.

 

You weren't talking about a CSM game. You were talking about games you were counting.

 

A fuller quote:

 

"For me, ever since counting became pretty much pointless, the game has been social and a time-killer. I enjoy telling whoever will listen that there's a single best way to play every hand vs. every dealer upcard."

-Kevin Lewis

 

Stop smugly peddling unsolicited bad advice to people. Zero people enjoy that.

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

Obviously. I'm well aware of that. I'm both amused AND thankful.

 

That said, the stupidity of my fellow humans, overall, costs me more than it helps me. 


How does it cost you?

Originally posted by: MaxFlavor

How does it cost you?


Let me count the ways!

 

The first and most obvious is the stupidity of those who voted for the Orange Pig and the consequent increases in the cost of living.

 

I know, EEK EEK, POLITICAL COMMENT.

 

The stupidity of other drivers increases my risk of injury or death, and ups my insurance premiums.

 

The stupidity of those who don't believe in environmental stewardship makes my environment less healthy and increases my chances of illness or death.

 

The stupidity of those who deny the reality of climate change increases my energy costs and my chances of dying or being injured in a natural disaster.

 

The above two stupidities increase the cost of the consumer goods I purchase.

 

The stupidity of those who oppose universal health care degrades the health of the people around me, making my environment less healthy and increasing my chances of sickness or death.

 

The stupidity of people who smoke degrades my health, with consequences as above.

 

The stupidity of those who oppose clean, sustainable energy increases my energy costs and degrades my environment (thank God I live in the Pacific Northwest).

 

People all around me who make foolish/bad decisions may often affect me negatively in ways I can't even anticipate.

 

People who oppose FEELTHY IMMERGENTS degrade our labor force and deprive us of cultural variety. You can see how those two things cost all of us by looking at Japan's economic stagnation (they are one of the most xenophobic countries in the world).

 

I could provide many more examples.

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