South Point's June promo

"This may be a moot discussion, as they've completely stiffed me since my two most recent trips. They wouldn't even give me casino rate when I called and asked." - On the surface, what you state does not seem to be reasonable - there must be a reason as to why. 

Obviously, they've determined that the value of my play isn't enough for them to offer me a room discount, let alone a comp.

Of course, objectively, they're right. I play nothing but NSUD (with a few very occasional exceptions), and I play it almost perfectly--so I'm getting a return close to the optimal 99.73%. Add back the 0.3% from the slot club, and they figure to make exactly zilch from me.

Of course, that's been the case for the 17 years I've played there, and this is the first time they've refused to give me anything at all. The point is, they're the variable here, not me. Maybe it's just part of the citywide tightening up.

   Seems to me that you have 3 choices (1) keep playing NUSD as you have, knowing that you will not be getting comps, (2) add some variety as to the games you play, which may generate some comps, (3) or  don't gamble at South Point any more. I believe that choice #2 is your best choice if you wish to receive any future comps. 

I may basically do #2 which I alluded to a few posts ago.  

You may be right Kevin, they may have determined the value of your play is not worth it anymore.  OR, can I ask, what were your last two trip results?  If those were wins, then there you go.  

Your example of two trips where free play was $10 and then $50 I've experienced several times over the years, usually after I'd have one good trip.  One time I was playing 3 or 5 line quarter and held 4 to a royal and hit it on two lines.  (no mailer the next quarter even though I'd been playing for 6-8 years prior and I'm not very lucky at Southpoint to boot....I'm definitely down lifetime in VP but I just enloy the casino so much, they have good promos and I think they are the fairest in town now for sure.  I sure hope that won't change.  

Those last two trips were, I'm fairly sure, revenue-neutral. Within $100 of even on both.

Switching to worse games would only make sense if they overcompensated for the difference. Let's say, for instance, that I switched to FPJOB. This would cost me 0.2% compared to NSUD. On 35K trip coin-in, that's a $70 loss. Would I get a commensurate offer (like casino rate, at least)? If not, then I'd be throwing away money.

I'll probably stay somewhere else and play during promo periods (as in, those promos for which everyone is eligible). The rooms are nice, but their rack rate is no bargain.

  I believe that since you have said that your last 2 trips were within $100 of even, and/or revenue-neutral, you should realize that comping you is not good for the casino's bottom line - which is what this is all about. If you ran a business that produced no profit, just how long would you have a business? Secondly, if you had other "customers" willing to gamble at higher stakes (and possibly lose money), just who would you, as a business, want to comp? The answer is obvious to all who own/run a business. And just what would be the incentive for a casino to "overcompensate" you or anyone else - the casinos are in the business of making money. Every game offered by casinos is there for the sole purpose of generating profits. If the way things are structured do not conform to one's liking, then maybe one should look elsewhere to gamble. After all, no one, especially casinos, are making you or anyone else gamble in their casinos. I think that your suggestion of staying elsewhere and only gambling during promo periods makes a lot of sense. I personally structure my Vegas trips around all special promo/ multiple point days offered at the casinos I stay at. I give them a fair shot at my bankroll while taking advantage of any and all comps/perks/multiple point days that they offer me. My last trip I stayed at 6 different casinos during my 19 day visit - every night was comped, and I received free play at 4 of them and money for food at 5 of them. I am currently sitting on similar offers from these same casinos, plus two others that I visited during my last visit. 

I think you would be surprised to see you would actually get comped nights back.  You'd have to let me know though if you try it.  I know JoB can be a little boring but I play more of that than NSUD just for what you are running into now.  I'll also play BP games at STP which is a little less than JoB but more fun.  If you play those on days the promos offer up more than enough to make up most of the EV value and it gives you back comped nights.....then there you have it.  But who knows, this strategy may change for me too if things are changing.  

And that all said, I too lose some comp (but not all) if I have back to back essentially break-even trips.  

Your strategy is sound David.  

My results have nothing to do with the casino's "bottom line"--I'm worth the same to them whether I win or lose on any given trip or trips.

If you're receiving comps, the only relevant question is, what is the EV of your play? If you receive more in comps than your expected losses, then you're ahead regardless of what your results actually are. So did you ever calculate that out for the 6 casinos you stayed at, using your prior trip(s) as the basis?

    Saying that your results has nothing to do with the casino's bottom line is absurd. Casinos base their profits and losses on their bottom line which is generated by everyone who gambles in their casino, including you. And apparently, EV is not the only criteria casinos currently use when giving comps, I am sure that their ability to track a person's wins/losses via computer data figures in to the comp formula. I could be wrong, but I am sure that, if pressed, the casinos would vefify what I have said here as being true.