VIDEO POKER STRATEGY LEVEL CARDS

I have stored photos on my phone of all VP cards from Bob Dancer & Liam W Daily.  I am presuming that most people who have bought these cards have a basic knowledge of VP.  My questions are ; (1) why would anyone using these cards want to look at the Beginner Level Strategy as opposed to Basic Strategy and why Basic Strategy as opposed to Advanced Strategy and (2) why does the advice on the Beginner Cards sometimes differ from Advance Level IE is the Beginner Strategy  wrong ? I could give example(s) but for now I will  just stick with the above questions .   I apologise if these questions have already been asked

The beginner levels are like training wheels, and if you only play a few days a year, you could just stay at that level without it costing you much in expected value. But if you play every week, you would be smart to learn the more advanced strategies.

 

And beginner levels differ from advanced levels because they are...different. For example, in FPDW it's enough for a beginner to know to hold a king-high two-card royal. But an advanced player should know to throw it away if there is a straight or flush penalty. 

 

 

Edited on Jul 9, 2022 1:36pm

Thank you for the fast and erudite response. Now, let me go to a JoB example from the Dancer/Daily Cards.  On the beginners strategy it states Low Pair (22-TT) > 4 card straight 2345-KQJT.   However in the Advanced Strategy it states ST4 : KQJT > Low Pair.    You can see that the Advanced Strategy play is different / opposite  from the Beginners.  If we presume the Advanced Strategy is the correct strategy, then why is the beginners strategy giving the 'wrong' advice

Originally posted by: clare churchill

Thank you for the fast and erudite response. Now, let me go to a JoB example from the Dancer/Daily Cards.  On the beginners strategy it states Low Pair (22-TT) > 4 card straight 2345-KQJT.   However in the Advanced Strategy it states ST4 : KQJT > Low Pair.    You can see that the Advanced Strategy play is different / opposite  from the Beginners.  If we presume the Advanced Strategy is the correct strategy, then why is the beginners strategy giving the 'wrong' advice


That's a really confusing one until you realize that the only way KQJT can also hold a low pair is if the fifth card is a Ten.

 

So I'll restate the rules here:

 

For beginners: Low Pair (22-TT) > 4 card straight 2345-KQJT 

For advanced: Low Pair (22-TT) > 4 card straight 2345-KQJT, Except KQJT > TT.

 

The reason for that is because KQJT is the only 4 card straight where nine different cards will give you a high pair, giving you your money back.


Originally posted by: MisterPicture

That's a really confusing one until you realize that the only way KQJT can also hold a low pair is if the fifth card is a Ten.

 

So I'll restate the rules here:

 

For beginners: Low Pair (22-TT) > 4 card straight 2345-KQJT 

For advanced: Low Pair (22-TT) > 4 card straight 2345-KQJT, Except KQJT > TT.

 

The reason for that is because KQJT is the only 4 card straight where nine different cards will give you a high pair, giving you your money back.


Great explanation!

 

As you mention, the Beginner strategies are slightly inaccurate because they don't mention exceptions to the general rules. That's to make the strategies easier to remember. I've observed, however, that there's a metric used for not mentioning these exceptions: 1) the "exception" play rarely comes up AND 2) the cost of getting it wrong is fairly trivial. That's certainly the case with the KQJTT hand--the difference in EV between the two possible plays is a fraction of a penny, and you won't see the hand very often.

 

I went through the agony of learning the complete advanced strategy for FPDW, then I found out that the total benefit over the intermediate strategy was to skyrocket from 100.73% to the optimum 100.76%. There was some really arcane shit in there, like going against the standard play of holding 2-67 suited if you are discarding a 3 (if I have that right, I think that the reason was that the absence of the 3 on the redraw makes it a teeny bit harder to make a plain old straight, thus tipping the balance in favor of holding just the deuce).

 

BTW, penalty card considerations for JOB are so unimportant as to make learning them not really worth it; in Deuces games, they matter a bit more; and for DB, DDB, and the like, not learning them costs a bunch.*

 

*The first part of the above statement does not apply if you play for Danceresque stakes and/or play enough so that even a trivial "error" really adds up over time.

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