VP in Vegas is Special

Everyone knows in the USA, Vegas is, and will likely contine to be the VP capital of the USA.

Of all the places to play VP, Vegas continues to have to best VP tables anywhere.

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Then you get people like me, that cannot afford to go to Vegas very often, if even one a year (Shame).

But true... Can you image palying in a place that has... after awful VP pay tables, and knowing they are rigged to never RF? Continue to go there?

So I go there, OK, and Fool, and OK, and all that is me.

Yet, people in LV cannot say it has not happened in right in their backdoor!!!!

I live in Tampa FL, where it is totally unregualted.

What does unregulated mean in regards to a Casino?

State, Federal has no contol to the actions, or legal aspects of the casino, for it is not LEGALLY accepted as a funtion of the State or Federal Government.

So go on your on risk....

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Now lets talk about LV...

At least with LV, you have a fighting chance. Loss of License, fine, and so on.

Yes it happend in LV, with the VP machines made the American Coin Company..

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They were rigged to never RF

The night before the Sorfware Engineer (who created the SW to never RF) was to testify the next day in court, about the CEO's involvment.

He was ambushied in his own driveway of his home.. Riddled of bullets...

The night before......

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With todays technology, the chips to rig any manufacturer's code had already been done...

Game Kings, or who ever...

Think the chips cannot be done... I give you one source that has pirated Apple to no end...

China...


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Are Game King chips in any unregulated State ... available?

Are Game King Chips available on the black market?

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This is why I love LV, Biloxi, and Tunica...

Others that know everything is regulated and Chips the the machines are checked, please add on.

I Take my 88 Y/O Mother to Tampa every 4 months or so from the east coast of Florida (Port Orange). She plays $.25 V/P and I usually play $2.00 V/P. Since January 2011 she has had 2 Royals (Bonus Poker) and I have had one...on a Joker Poker KoB machine.

Just like the Tribal Casinos in Louisiana, a Tribal Gaming Commision regulates the machines as well as compliance with the Tribal Compact with the State.

The games are regulated and they are not 'fixed'....the pay back on slots may be 'tight' but the the pay schedules for V/P are right on the machines.....the pay schedules leave a lot to be desired!

Don't blame your bad luck on any 'rigging' by a Tribal Operation in Tampa or in Louisiana. I worked in a Tribal Facility in Louisiana some years ago and I know that 'compliance' with State Regulations is very strictly followed and enforced! Have a problem?....contact the State Police!

Leonard

I always look forward to the Vegas VP paytables when I make my annual trip to Vegas. We have a 98% max paytable law here in Minnesota, so the best schedules here are only 9/5 DDB, 9/6/5 DB and 6/5 super aces.

Glad to hear about the Royals and the HR. I'll keep looking to spot one, from anyone on the floor, haven't yet. Been going there for years now.

JP KoB is a cool game. I know to get to the KoB pay schedule there, you are playing either 50c or dollars, for at the 25c level, it kicks back to Two Pair or Better pay schedule.

As for state regulations like they have in Biloxi, or Vegas, it does not exist in Florida. Florida regulation is all about getting their $ cut, and has nothing to do with the machine's fairness or chips being altered. There are none, NONE, never any checks done on any machines, like the ramdom checks done in Vegas. There is no agency in Florida for that, for Florida, technically, does not acknowledge casino gambling except for Broward County. And once again, they are there to enure the machines are paying back the set minimum (80%?), and to get their $ cut. So you can alter a 9/6 JOB machine to pay down to 80%, and still be in compliance with the State of Florida. Not until Florida creates a gaming comission like that of Vegas, will there be any REAL regualtion, so it is player beware.

As for the Tribal Council to regulate and keep watch to enure their machines are not altered, that is like having the wolf guard the hen house, please don't insult my intelligence with this nonsense.

Someone said that even if they could do it, why would they?

1) For one, its the only game in town, no competition.

2) People spend crazy money there, I have never seen so many $25 and $50 tables packed to the gills all the time. Trying to get a seat at a $15 table is no easy task, based on the waiting line of people standing behind the players. Since I am a $5 and sometimes $10 type of player, I never play the table games there. I like Pia Gow Poker, but the minimums are usually $40, sometimes downgrated to $20, which is too rich for me. Yet the HR is always packed, to packed solid, tables, machines, you name it!


3) If it was legal for you to alter machines, Why Would You NOT Do It, based on 1 and 2 above.?

It is very hard to spend money on a flight to Vegas, just to get play VP that is not rigged.

Yet, when I am in Vegas, I know the Royal is open.

And that makes the simple task of sitting at a bar, playing VP, free drinks..

And hoping for that Royal, that does happen, only in Vegas, (or Biloxi too).

Happens all the time in these places..

I don't know, I'm not convinced that the HR machines are rigged. Of course it's physically possible, and of course you're right that the Tribal Council isn't going to have the same goals as a state Gaming Control Board. Not saying that they definitely aren't, and I'm not saying that it's just as unlikely here as it would be in Nevada.

But. What's the evidence that they're rigged? You can't base that conclusion on the fact that you haven't seen anyone get a royal, especially since Leonard and his mother have had a few themselves. The only way to really tell if a VP machine is rigged, or not dealing randomly, is to play a statistically significant number of hands and clock the results. That would probably be about 5 RF cycles worth, or about 200,000 hands, which would be about 300 hours on the same machine, while keeping really accurate records of coin-in and coin-out. At that point, if the results are more than maybe 0.1% or so below the theoretical return you probably have a problem.

The trouble is that all gambling games have reasonably high variance (the square of the standard deviation, if you're in to such things), and the house edge is never intuitively visible. That's why you often have bad several-hour sessions even in a great blackjack game (and the variance for blackjack is only 1.3, as opposed to 9/6 JoB, the least volatile of the common VP pay tables, whose variance is 19.5).

There are many who live here that think it is, and then some that do not want to believe it, for it is the only show in town.

It is just by observation what I base it on. In Vegas, I see royals, yet I am there for just a short while.

At the Hard Rock, I have never seen any, none, zero. I am sure they have a few machines set up, and they will let one go (Royal) every now and then, just to keep face.

Every time at the VP Bars I ask people around me, and and nope , nadda, zilch.

It reminds me of the Sterling casino boat when it was in operation. After going so many times, you noticed things, like..

The one Blazing 7's dollar machine would always hit at sometime during the 5 hour cruise. That was a machine the casnio mamagers would allow to hit. No other slot would jackpot, smaller ones yes, top ones no.

Royals on the nickel machines, yes, none on higher amounts. One time it was funny as hell, playing VP at the bar on the top level where the lounge was at. They were fixed at 25c and $1 machines. This one person was playing $VP and it hit the Royal. Gee you think the guy just won a million dollars, for there were FOUR Suites up there, congratulating him on his win. (These were all Game Kings).

The funny part as I watch (there was only one VP bartop between me and the 4K winner, so I got to see and hear the whole thing), they would congratuate him, and they would keep glancing at the machine, back to him, back to glaring at the machine, back to him, this went on for at least ten minutes.

The funny part was, the look on their faces said one thing (congratulations on your big win), while the glances and glares on the machine said something totally opposite, like

Too dam funny. Needless to say, all,...... I mean all, I mean fuc....ng all of them ....were removed by the time a I came back a couple weeks later, and replaced with Game Kings (again), but this time, multi demonination from 25c to $2 (Yeah!!!!)

This was great for awhile, for I used to go to church almost every Sunday on the Sterling when the new bartops were installed. There was a group of people there I would see every Sunday, and got to know many of them. We would play there the whole 5 hour daytime cruise. We called it church for we prayed to win, while tithing with our money into the bartop VP.

Anyways, we would win and loose, but people were hitting, DB 4 aces, Royals sometimes, I got the Ducks twice on Duces. This went on for about 6 weeks, then something happend.

No one was hitting anymore, nothing, but small stuff. Even getting Wild Royals on the Duces were rare to nothing at all. Then after about two more months of this, we all slowly started to fade away, and our weekly Church group on the Stering was eventually no more.

I would still go, but only one a month now, and nothing for me, or anyone around me. Eventually, no more Sterling Casino, they left the port, due to another Casino boat to open up (That would have made three), and they said they could not deal with the increased competition.

The report is, the Sterling told the Port to keep it at two, or lose them. The port let the third ship come in, and they left.

Sooooooo, one last time, this is why I trush in Las Vegas, and it is special. Biloxi is my second for it is cheap, but nothing comares to Vegas, for it is just too much dam fun!!!

Vegas has everything for 21 year olds to the little old ladies, show capital of the World, food galore, you name it, Vegas has it!