whats the best vp

Apps are applications for the newer phone devices. I also only have a regular cell phone and I don't text people.

So Muskeg is saying that there is a Video Poker application that is called "WinPoker" (I'm sure that's the program developed by Dean Zamzow) that from what I understand you can use for Video Poker practice or possibly to analyze something.

But at least with Nevada Casinos, using an electronic device -- especially one that has to do with gaming is illegal for players to use in the casino because (well at least as far as I know) the casino views this at least as a potential cheating device.

And yes, from what I'm understanding, British Casinos are not like American ones. It depends on the rules that they offer and it's too bad that they offer no Video Poker.

As far as I know, Muskeg is not a Nevadan (and neither am I). As for me, I'm of the mind frame that it is in our best interest to learn as much as possible about whatever we are going to do especially if our goal is to earn money. It's just as any other work that someone may be employed at.

RecVPPlayer
No one will be prosecuted for using a cell phone app that mimics a video poker machine while in a casino.

First, because the very notion is ridiculous.

Second, because doing so is not illegal:

UNLAWFUL ACTS AND EQUIPMENT

NRS?465.075??Use or possession of device to obtain advantage at playing game in licensed gaming establishment.

1.??It is unlawful for any person to use, possess with the intent to use or assist another person in using or possessing with the intent to use any computerized, electronic, electrical or mechanical device which is designed, constructed, altered or programmed to obtain an advantage at playing any game in a licensed gaming establishment, including, without limitation, a device that:

(a)?Projects the outcome of the game;

(b)?Keeps track of cards played or cards prepared for play;

(c)?Analyzes the probability of the occurrence of an event relating to a game; or

(d)?Analyzes the strategy for playing or betting to be used in the game,

Ê except as may be made available as part of an approved game or otherwise permitted by the Commission.

2.??As used in this section, “advantage” means a benefit obtained by one or more participants in a game through information or knowledge that is not made available as part of the game as approved by the Board or Commission.

(Added to NRS by 1985, 970; A 2011, 216)

NRS?465.080??Possession, use, sale or manufacture of counterfeit, unapproved or unlawful instruments or items; possession of certain unlawful devices or paraphernalia for manufacturing slugs.

1.??It is unlawful for any licensee, employee or other person, not a duly authorized employee of a licensee acting in furtherance of his or her employment within an establishment, to possess, use, sell or manufacture counterfeit chips, counterfeit debit instruments or other counterfeit wagering instruments in a gambling game, associated equipment or a cashless wagering system.

2.??It is unlawful for any licensee, employee or other person, not a duly authorized employee of a licensee acting in furtherance of his or her employment within an establishment, to possess, use, sell or manufacture any counterfeit instruments, counterfeit tickets or other counterfeit items that are used to determine the outcome of any contest or promotional activity conducted by or on behalf of any licensee.

3.??It is unlawful for any person, in playing or using any gambling game, associated equipment or cashless wagering system designed to be played with, receive or be operated by chips, tokens, wagering credits or other wagering instruments approved by the State Gaming Control Board or by lawful coin of the United States of America:

(a)?Knowingly to use other than chips, tokens, wagering credits or other wagering instruments approved by the State Gaming Control Board or lawful coin, legal tender of the United States of America, or to use coin or tokens not of the same denomination as the coin or tokens intended to be used in that gambling game, associated equipment or cashless wagering system; or

(b)?To use any device or means to violate the provisions of this chapter.

4.??It is unlawful for any person, not a duly authorized employee of a licensee acting in furtherance of such employment within an establishment, to have on his or her person or in his or her possession on or off the premises of any licensed gaming establishment any device intended to be used to violate the provisions of this chapter.

5.??It is unlawful for any person, not a duly authorized employee of a licensee acting in furtherance of such employment within an establishment, to have on his or her person or in his or her possession on or off the premises of any licensed gaming establishment any key or device known to have been designed for the purpose of and suitable for opening, entering or affecting the operation of any gambling game, cashless wagering system or drop box, or any electronic or mechanical device connected thereto, or for removing money or other contents therefrom.

6.??It is unlawful for any person, not a duly authorized employee of a licensee acting in furtherance of such employment within an establishment, to have on his or her person or in his or her possession any paraphernalia for manufacturing slugs. As used in this subsection, “paraphernalia for manufacturing slugs” means the equipment, products and materials that are intended for use or designed for use in manufacturing, producing, fabricating, preparing, testing, analyzing, packaging, storing or concealing a counterfeit facsimile of the chips, tokens, debit instruments or other wagering instruments approved by the State Gaming Control Board or a lawful coin of the United States, the use of which is unlawful pursuant to subsection 3. The term includes, but is not limited to:

(a)?Lead or lead alloys;

(b)?Molds, forms or similar equipment capable of producing a likeness of a gaming token or United States coin;

(c)?Melting pots or other receptacles;

(d)?Torches;

(e)?Tongs, trimming tools or other similar equipment; and

(f)?Equipment which can be reasonably demonstrated to manufacture facsimiles of debit instruments or wagering instruments approved by the State Gaming Control Board.

7.??Possession of more than one of the devices, equipment, products or materials described in this section permits a rebuttable inference that the possessor intended to use them for cheating.

[1:239:1951; A 1955, 13] + [2:239:1951]—(NRS A 1965, 1467; 1967, 588; 1973, 445; 1977, 475; 1979, 1477; 1981, 1293; 1989, 971; 1991, 939; 1993, 830; 1995, 1502; 2007, 1120)
I only ever use my phone to text my hubbie to find out where he is in the casino or for him to find me as I like to try as many machine's as possible just to get my fix.
I know they are not a very good return but I do like the Cleopatra keno machine the most I have ever won is $700 in Ballys last year and I also won $1000 on the wheel of fortune but these win's are few and far between but as long as I keep within my budget I enjoy the odd play on the other machines for a bit off fun.
I would like to thank everybody on the Forum for the info.
I mentioned that the app could be viewed by the casino as an illegal device because Bob Dancer himself in his newest book said that he would not make a phone app for his computer program because it could be viewed by the casino as an illegal device that could help people get an edge over the casino.

RecVPPlayer

Oops, sorry for the Double Post!

RecVPPlayer
Bob Dancer's forgotten far more about video poker than I'll ever hope to know. He may have a good reason for not developing that app.

But the fear that using it in a casino would be a felony is not a good reason.

If anything, he's just hyping the quality of the things he IS selling, by saying "I'm so good, some of the stuff I come up with would be illegal!"
Bob Dancer has stated in his book "Video Poker for The Intelligent Beginner" that he did not want to personally be connected to having a program ("Video Poker For Winners") that can be used in the casino to give people the advantage over the casino (which is one of the issues in that law that you cited).

And if I'm remembering correctly, he has also discussed this kind of topic on his radio show with Bob (?) Nersessian, the lawyer for the Advantage Players and I think that he agreed that the casinos could view that as a "cheating" device.

RecVPPlayer
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