$5 a gallon gas? Say it ain't so!

Actually Rasmussen was, far and away, the most accurate poll in the 2008 election. A better poll is what happened for real in 2010. Slice, obfuscate, deny or whatever you need to do but the main reason SanFranNan had her broom handed to her was people saw the leftist behind closed doors with no committee input legislature spend over a trillion dollars more that we have. And the Healthcare is the center of it.
Please don't trot out the CBO figures as they only process what is given them. Garbage in, garbage out. Like the healthcare law will save money. Right. By chopping doctor payments in Medicare by 500,000,000? Which, of course wasn't done. But hearing lefties say any program the government does will save money is so laughable. That's why the middle independents are now seeing this house of cards for what it is. And why Obama is trying to do a Slick Willie and portray himself as a centrist.
Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. Not going to happen.
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Originally posted by: Malibugolfer
Actually Rasmussen was, far and away, the most accurate poll in the 2008 election. A better poll is what happened for real in 2010. Slice, obfuscate, deny or whatever you need to do but the main reason SanFranNan had her broom handed to her was people saw the leftist behind closed doors with no committee input legislature spend over a trillion dollars more that we have. And the Healthcare is the center of it.
Please don't trot out the CBO figures as they only process what is given them. Garbage in, garbage out. Like the healthcare law will save money. Right. By chopping doctor payments in Medicare by 500,000,000? Which, of course wasn't done. But hearing lefties say any program the government does will save money is so laughable. That's why the middle independents are now seeing this house of cards for what it is. And why Obama is trying to do a Slick Willie and portray himself as a centrist.
Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. Not going to happen.
Looks like somebody was stuck in traffic behind a lot of bumperstickers today.
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Originally posted by: Malibugolfer
Actually Rasmussen was, far and away, the most accurate poll in the 2008 election.
Where do you obtain facts?

From what I've seen, Rasmussen was mediocre at best in 2008. They ranked 8th most accurate of the 9 pollsters working the seven swing states that produced President Obama in 2008. In fact, 2008 was a downgrade from the middling performance they've had since 1998.

It's frustrating dealing with people who seem unbound by reality.

You know there's often a difference between what right-wing forces pay, say, Sean Hannity to tell you and what's likely true, right?
Real clear Politics.com takes the averages of all polls to come up with a blended number. While not scientific it does provide a good overall feel in elections

I should have looked it up first so you wouldnt waste time with ad hominem trash talk. This from Fordam University. And I watck KO more than Hannity. He's much funnier in his rants:
The following list ranks the 23 organizations by the accuracy of their final, national preelection
polls (as reported on pollster.com).
1. Rasmussen (11/1-3)**
1. Pew (10/29-11/1)**
2. YouGov/Polimetrix (10/18-11/1)
3. Harris Interactive (10/20-27)
4. GWU (Lake/Tarrance) (11/2-3)*
5. Diageo/Hotline (10/31-11/2)*
5. ARG (10/25-27)*
6. CNN (10/30-11/1)
6. Ipsos/McClatchy (10/30-11/1)
7. DailyKos.com (D)/Research 2000 (11/1-3)
8. AP/Yahoo/KN (10/17-27)
9. Democracy Corps (D) (10/30-11/2)
10. FOX (11/1-2)
11. Economist/YouGov (10/25-27)
12. IBD/TIPP (11/1-3)
13. NBC/WSJ (11/1-2)
14. ABC/Post (10/30-11/2)
15. Marist College (11/3)
16. CBS (10/31-11/2)
17. Gallup (10/31-11/2)
18. Reuters/ C-SPAN/ Zogby (10/31-11/3)
19. CBS/Times (10/25-29)
20. Newsweek (10/22-23)
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Originally posted by: Malibugolfer
I should have looked it up first so you wouldnt waste time with ad hominem trash talk. This from Fordam University. And I watck KO more than Hannity. He's much funnier in his rants:
The following list ranks the 23 organizations by the accuracy of their final, national preelection
polls (as reported on pollster.com).
1. Rasmussen (11/1-3)**
1. Pew (10/29-11/1)**
2. YouGov/Polimetrix (10/18-11/1)
3. Harris Interactive (10/20-27)
4. GWU (Lake/Tarrance) (11/2-3)*
5. Diageo/Hotline (10/31-11/2)*
5. ARG (10/25-27)*
6. CNN (10/30-11/1)
6. Ipsos/McClatchy (10/30-11/1)
7. DailyKos.com (D)/Research 2000 (11/1-3)
8. AP/Yahoo/KN (10/17-27)
9. Democracy Corps (D) (10/30-11/2)
10. FOX (11/1-2)
11. Economist/YouGov (10/25-27)
12. IBD/TIPP (11/1-3)
13. NBC/WSJ (11/1-2)
14. ABC/Post (10/30-11/2)
15. Marist College (11/3)
16. CBS (10/31-11/2)
17. Gallup (10/31-11/2)
18. Reuters/ C-SPAN/ Zogby (10/31-11/3)
19. CBS/Times (10/25-29)
20. Newsweek (10/22-23)
Malibugolfer,

You are talking about the accuracy of one poll by Rasmussen. One poll.

Yes, there was a poll in 2008 that they got right. So did Pew. They tied. And many others correctly predicted Obama would win 52-46. Which he did.

Tying others in getting one poll right hardly makes Rasmussen "far and away" the most accurate poll in 2008, as you claimed. You have to look at more than that. I gave you results of an analysis of nearly 5,000 polls.

Why not look at Rasmussen's final Florida poll? You know, the one where they had McCain winning?

Oh, I know why. Because it doesn't serve your bias to acknowledge Rasmussen's poor performance in a different poll.

Or the dreadful performance they put up in 2010.

Anyone can get one poll right. I'm talking about long track records. Based on long track records, Rasmussen's pretty bad of late, as 2010 showed. They have a strong bias in favor of Republicans and GOP causes, a bias not reflected at the ballot box.

Right now, Rasmussen is not good at polling. That's just a fact.
In 2008, both Rasmussen and the Chicago Cubs had a good year. 2010, of course, is another matter.

Rasmussen was atrocious in 2010, and unless they change their methodology, they'll only get worse. They use cheap robocalls, so it's illegal for them to call the typically younger and minority cell phone only demographic. And when they do get through to a landline, think about what happens. Younger people think, "What telemarketer, who doesn't know my cell number, is calling me now?" And they let it go to voice mail. But when Grandpa hears the landline ringing, he says, "Turn down Bill O'Reilly - it might be the grandkids calling." And he answers.

If you don't call cell phones, increasingly, you aren't really polling America.
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Originally posted by: hoops2
Real clear Politics.com takes the averages of all polls to come up with a blended number. While not scientific it does provide a good overall feel in elections
Nope, because Rasmussen floods the market. In the last few weeks of the last election for example, Rasmussen published five times as many polls as Quinnipiac. So RCP gave five times as much power to the crap Rasmussen polls as compared with the excellent ones from Quinnipiac.



Forget Obamacare, polls, Hannity or $5 gas. Can there be any agreement that a budget deficit that is a trillion or so in the red is beyond a problem? That it adds to a national debt of an astoundably (unsumountable?) 1,300,000,000 and growing catastrophe? And adding +/- 30,000,000 non payers to Medicaid can only drive the red #'s up? And up.
Do any of you run your personal lives like this?
Maybe it's because I live in what once was the land of plenty. California. Now it's plenty broke from the same mentality. See Greece, Italy, Ireland, Spain, Portugal et al.
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Looks like somebody was stuck in traffic behind a lot of bumperstickers today.


Agreed the year is young but I think we have our first entry in classic LVA line for 2011! No matter the topic great line!

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