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Originally posted by: hoops2
There is a flaw to this poll. Most nationwide polls show the country as 48% Republican, 42% Democrat. This poll drops Republicans to 36%, while the Democrats stay at 42%.
The attacks on this poll, such as the one above, are based in the fact that AP-GfK surveyed "Americans" rather than "voters".

The group called "Americans" tend to identify themselves as Democrats more strongly than the groups called "voters" or "likely voters" do. Which is why today's Democratic Party is always working hard to encourage greater participation (greater ballot access, multilingual ballots, for motor voter and same-day registration) while Republicans work hard to suppress turnout (English only, opposed to motor voter and same-day registration).

The AP-GfK poll is not intended to predict an election. If it was, it would have been wisest to survey "voters", not "Americans". But that wasn't the point of this poll. This poll was to find out what Americans think of ACA.

While "voters" may be more ambivalent, "Americans" definitely don't want ACA repealed.
I think it would be more revealing to ask either Voters or Americans to summarize the key provisions of the 2500 pages of the ACA. I'll bet no more than 1% can even identify 20 of it's major features.

It's too bad The House didn't take turns reading it on the floor before it was passed.

That being said...There are not enough votes to repeal it. Republicans know there aren't enough votes to repeal it. This vote on a total repeal is a showboat tactic that is a colossal waste of time and money; the outcome of which is only more political rhetoric.

Maybe they should think of doing something useful instead....like cutting waste, fraud, and abuse from a myriad of federal programs.
"The attacks on this poll, such as the one above, are based in the fact that AP-GfK surveyed "Americans" rather than "voters"."

That is a copout & provides a lame excuse for putting out an incorrect poll

People who aren't voters means they don't have the energy to even get involved & their opinions in a poll are irrelevant & are very likely not even going to be the ones stuck paying for this fiasco.

In an earlier post I listed the problems with the the cbo estimate. I forgot to mention that the cbo excluded the increased cost in state medicaid expenses which is estimated in the hundreds of billions

Again I remind you that Mass has tried this program and that program is way over budget
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Originally posted by: hoops2
Again I remind you that Mass has tried this program and that program is way over budget


How much over budget is the unfunded $500 billion prescription drug program you want to revert back to?




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Originally posted by: hoops2
"The attacks on this poll, such as the one above, are based in the fact that AP-GfK surveyed "Americans" rather than "voters"."

That is a copout & provides a lame excuse for putting out an incorrect poll
What is "incorrect" about the AP-GfK poll?

I accept that you don't like it. You don't have to like it.

You can ignore it, pretend it's not real.

Maybe set your mind to real issues like death panels, Acorn, New Black Panthers, foreign-born secret Muslim presidents, real stuff like that.

But what is "incorrect" about that poll? That it doesn't reflect the fantasy you prefer over the reality that exists?

Contrary to the rhetoric, Americans do not want ACA repealed.
The following polls were released in the past week all showing obamacare in the minus

Rassmussen - minus 15
CNN - minus 8
ABC - minus 5
Democracy Corp - minus 16

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Originally posted by: hoops2
The following polls were released in the past week all showing obamacare in the minus

Rassmussen - minus 15
CNN - minus 8
ABC - minus 5
Democracy Corp - minus 16
Rasmussen: Not currently a serious pollster, as detailed above. Also surveyed "voters", not "Americans". Not comparable to AP-GfK.

CNN: Americans in that poll favor repeal by 8 points. Definitely comparable to AP-GfK, and shows a different result. I'll need to temper my language based on this poll.

ABC: Didn't poll about "repeal", polled about "changes". Not comparable to AP-GfK

Democracy Corps: No poll by this organization that I could find shows Americans favor repeal by 16 points. Where do you get your information? Link?

I agree that the CNN poll is inconsistent with the AP-GfK poll, and that one of them is likely wrong. The other three polls you cite, however, do not support your claim that the AP-GfK poll is incorrect.
I have posted this link before, applicable to many discussions.
https://www.pollingreport.com/

For example
https://www.pollingreport.com/health.htm

Save a lot of googling
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Originally posted by: marcr
I have posted this link before, applicable to many discussions.
https://www.pollingreport.com/


Now that is a cool site. Thanks!

- Jeff
"Also surveyed "voters", not "Americans"

Voters aren't Americans?

Voters are the ones that determine legislative policies, not non voters so that is who should be being polled
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