Big shocker the "One" wants to raise the debt limit again

So now what about debt. GW added a fair amount I will say. 4.9 trillion in 8 years. But BO I like those initials has blown that out of the water in 3 years. So with 5 more to work with he can certainly pad his numbers. Which means he will probably hoist the Greek flag in his second term.

Terry
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Originally posted by: tonystewartrules
So now what about debt. GW added a fair amount I will say. 4.9 trillion in 8 years. But BO I like those initials has blown that out of the water in 3 years. So with 5 more to work with he can certainly pad his numbers. Which means he will probably hoist the Greek flag in his second term.

Terry


Yes, the debt is a problem. Aside from growing the economy there are only two ways to resolve it: cutting spending, and raising taxes. The president has shown the desire to address both. Speaker Boehner was almost there too....but The tea party under orders from Grover Norquist will only consider one of those options. I dont care who the president is and from what party - if you think you are going to get a bi-partisan bill that only addresses one side of that equation then you are on crack.
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Yes, the debt is a problem. Aside from growing the economy there are only two ways to resolve it: cutting spending, and cutting entitlements.


pjstroh...the newest Teaparty convert. Of course some of us non-partisans would like some balance between spending cuts and tax hikes....like the ideas proposed by Obama's own debt commission. You know...the one he commissioned and then abandoned.
You caught me, alan. Of course, I meant to include tax hikes and a balnce between the two. I'll edit my post.

PJ,

You are losing it brother......you actually said "I don't care who the president is and from what party-" PJ, who are you crappin'?

You had best pray that something wacky happens come November, because when the worm turns and Obama gets beat AND the dems lose the Senate, change will be coming. And you will hate every minute of it for at least four years.
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Originally posted by: marcr
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Originally posted by: billryan
Your figures agree with my statement. Unemployment was much much higher three years after Reagan took office than it was under his predecessor. You folks kill Obama for this, but worship at the feet of Reagan.
The socalled Misery Index was a nonsensical campaign gimmick put out by Reagans campaign advisors. I can't believe you are still trying to foist it about thirty years later. I guess you really can't teach an old dog new tricks, even when the olds ones have been discredited for a generation.


Ummmm, not even close. The misery index was developed by Yale economics professor Arthur Okun in the late 60s. Mr Okun was Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisors 1968-69 under President Johnson.
https://www.miseryindex.us/

As to use by politicians it was first really used by President Carter in his run for the Presidency in 1976. This extracted from Wikipedia but is a fair summary:
During the Presidential campaign of 1976, Democratic candidate Jimmy Carter made frequent references to the Misery Index, which by the summer of 1976 was at 13.57%. Carter stated that no man responsible for giving a country a misery index that high had a right to even ask to be President. Carter won the 1976 election. However, by 1980, when President Carter was running for re-election against Ronald Reagan, the Misery Index had reached an all-time high of 21.98%. Carter lost the election to Reagan.


I was off the mark, but not far off. It was Jimmy Carters campaign advisors that first used it, not Reagans.
What confused me was in the fall of 1976, I had a economic professor who picked it apart as to why it was an utterly useless stat, and four years later that same professor ripped Reagans trickle down economics nonsense to shreds. Remember that Nixon and Ford resorted to wage and price freezes to keep inflation down, Carter let the sacred free market decide.
I could only imagine the outrage here and elsewhere if the Obama administration declared a wage freeze and announced that a Federal panel would decide your salary for the next four years. You'd think JC would at least get some credit for stopping that monumental disaster.
National unemployment numbers were simply complied by adding state numbers and in the Jim Crow south, were completely unreliable.
For those not familiar with the Nixon wage and price freeze:
https://www.econreview.com/events/wageprice1971b.htm
So the fact that Obama's Misery Index numbers are on par with Nixon and Carter is AOK in your book.

Now I get it.....enjoy the misery!

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Originally posted by: lvfritz
PJ,

You are losing it brother......you actually said "I don't care who the president is and from what party-" PJ, who are you crappin'?

You had best pray that something wacky happens come November, because when the worm turns and Obama gets beat AND the dems lose the Senate, change will be coming. And you will hate every minute of it for at least four years.


No doubt. But you shouldn't take my quotes out of context. Thats very Mitt Romney of you.

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Originally posted by: jphelan
So the fact that Obama's Misery Index numbers are on par with Nixon and Carter is AOK in your book.

Now I get it.....enjoy the misery!


I've heard Obamas shoe size is almost identical to Harry Trumans. That is just as relevant to any sane conversation as bringing up the misery index.
However, to be fair to you, why not compare the first three years of Reagans adminstration to our current administrations first three years?

MI under Reagan 1981- 17.97 1982- 15.87 1983- 12.82
Obamas first two years were 8.92 and 11.29. This year is not complete, but his three year average will come in well below Reagans first three years.

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