Healthcare law exemption list

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Originally posted by: Chilcoot
hoops2, you write like an taunting troll. I don't put people on ignore, so it'll be my job to try to remember not to take you seriously.

But thanks for reminding everyone once again of the true nature of many of our president's detractors.

Probably my least favorite part of this new law is that even its sneering detractors will benefit from the positive changes it'll bring.

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Originally posted by: hoops2
"You are already seeing the crumbling of the conservative healthcare rheotric just like on every apocolyptic prediciton they've made since Obama took office. "

Are these lies?

1) All entitlement programs cost more than anticipated - see medicare liability

2) All entitlement programs overestimate the revenue (which in this case may even be unconstitutional)

3) This is based on a 10 year projection using 10 years of revenue but only 6 years of costs. Once the program extends past 10 years it becomes a loser

4) It is dependent on the 25% cut in medical reimbursements in Medicare which has already been deferred twice already

5) Companies such as AT&T & Caterpillar have indicated they would rather pay the $2,000 penalty & have employees go on the subsidized plan, thus putting more people in these programs & increasing costs.

6) The bill assumes young employees will opt into these plans increasing the premium revenue; when in fact they may roll the dice and stay out of the plans until necessary.

7) cbo estimates excludes the increase in fed employees to manage this program

8) cbo also allows double counting of medicare savings, by saying the program will save money on medicare and at the same time reduces the cost of obamacare. These are 2 different programs & you can only save the money in one place

9) It does not factor in the increased cost to the already cash strapped states for increased Medicaid expenses

10) Much of obamacare is based on the Mass program which is bankrupt

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Originally posted by: hoops2
"Meanwhile you completely ignore all the variables on the other side of the equation the CBO must also ignore - like the reduced cost to states in emergency room care by adding 30 million people to the insurance pool."

17% of emergency room visits have been determined to be unnecessary at an annual cost of $4b. About half of those visits are already covered by insurance so we are talking about $2b in a thousand billion program - less than 0.5%


"Or the 100s of Billions in dollars saved from catching cancer in earlier stages as oppossed to waiting for stage 4 care in the emergency room."

Stage 4 care doesn't happen in emergency rooms.
Most insurance companies already cover physicals & most people don't take advantage of this feature; so there is no proof that this benefit will be utilized.

"Or the billions saved by eliminating duplicate medical testing when record sharing goes online as partially funded by the new law"

Apparently another over optimistic estimate - refer back to my point 2; revenues & savings are always overestimated in entitlement programs

The basis for the president's proposal is a theoretical study published in 2005 by the RAND Corporation, funded by companies including Hewlett-Packard and Xerox that stand to financially benefit from such an electronic system. And, as the RAND policy analysts readily admit in their report, there was no compelling evidence at the time to support their theoretical claims. Moreover, in the four years since the report, considerable data have been obtained that undermine their claims. The RAND study and the Obama proposal it spawned appear to be an elegant exercise in wishful thinking.

To be sure, there are real benefits from electronic medical records. Physicians and nurses can readily access all the information on their patients from a single site. Particularly helpful are alerts in the system that warn of potential dangers in the prescribing of a certain drug for a patient on other therapies that could result in toxicity. But do these benefits translate into $80 billion annually in cost-savings? The cost-savings from avoiding medication errors are relatively small, amounting at most to a few billion dollars yearly, as the RAND consultants admit.

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Originally posted by: hoops2
The report says the costs are $112b for all health care costs for 50m uninsured not $112b for emergency room care. Since the report is using the 50m uninsured number that means they are including the 12m illegals who are in the 50m count but not supposed to eligible under obamacare. So we can reduce the $112b by 24%. The report also said 25% of these costs were paid by local govt - medicaid.

Families USA is one of the largest lobbyist organizations advocating universal health care so their study's results are flawed by their own agenda.

So you are misquoting a flawed study

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