IL, will they file for bankruptcy

IL, just passed a huge tax increase with no cuts in spending to be seen.

What's next? Do you think they will be either getting a bailout or will they somehow file for bankruptcy?
I think there are a number of cities & states that are hoping for a fed bailout; which opens a new can of worms.

This liability as well as fannie/freddie's problems along with the feds own huge deficit is now calling into question America's AAA bond rating.

The only thing keeping the AAA rating is the shock to international finances if it was dropped.
Yeah, I know how concerned conservatives and the tea party are about the deficit. Their 2 biggest priorities since winning the election:

- Passing completely unfunded tax cuts for the wealthies Americans with borrowed money from China
- Rolling back the new healthcare law to the tune of 250 billion borrowed from China
"- Rolling back the new healthcare law to the tune of 250 billion borrowed from China "

This faulty statement is based on the bozo at the cbo who used faulty numbers.

The savings depend on a number of assumptions that are never going to happen

1) All entitlement programs cost more than anticipated - see medicare liability
2) All entitlement programs overestimate the revenue (which in this case may even be unconstitutional)
3) This is based on a 10 year projection using 10 years of revenue but only 6 years of costs. Once the program extends past 10 years it becomes a loser
4) It is dependent on the 25% cut in medical reimbursements in Medicare which has already been deferred twice already
5) Companies such as AT&T & Caterpillar have indicated they would rather pay the $2,000 penalty & have employees go on the subsidized plan. Thus putting more people in these programs & increasing costs.
6) The bill assumes young employees will opt into these plans increasing the premium revenue; when in fact they may roll the dice and stay out of the plans until necessary.
7) cbo estimates excludes the increase in fed employees to manage this program
8) cbo also allows double counting of medicare savings, by saying the program will save money on medicare and at the same time reduces the cost of obamacare. These are 2 different programs 7 you can only save the money in one place

Well let's see our great illinois lawmakers decided in the early morning hours of the last day of the lame duck session to raise two major rates. Now they decided to do us a favor hold the increase over the next few years to 2%. Well I do not know our annual budget but I am thinking even 2% is a LOT. Thanks,that is still an increase of an already bloated budget. Why not a 5% decrease per year instead. Well because they really don't care.

I guess it goes along with a new story that our county treasurer has a driver who is paid $97,000+ per year to among other things pick up her dry cleaning and a latte or two. And she has her maid from home come in to clean her office for $55,000 a year. Well they do have a janitorial service. But not good enough for her. It goes on and on and this I am sure is one of many.

Illinois what a mess.

Terry
OBAMA has a huge Stimulus plan in the works for the entire state. No Worry
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Originally posted by: hoops2
"- Rolling back the new healthcare law to the tune of 250 billion borrowed from China "

This faulty statement is based on the bozo at the cbo who used faulty numbers.

The savings depend on a number of assumptions that are never going to happen

1) All entitlement programs cost more than anticipated - see medicare liability
2) All entitlement programs overestimate the revenue (which in this case may even be unconstitutional)
3) This is based on a 10 year projection using 10 years of revenue but only 6 years of costs. Once the program extends past 10 years it becomes a loser
4) It is dependent on the 25% cut in medical reimbursements in Medicare which has already been deferred twice already
5) Companies such as AT&T & Caterpillar have indicated they would rather pay the $2,000 penalty & have employees go on the subsidized plan. Thus putting more people in these programs & increasing costs.
6) The bill assumes young employees will opt into these plans increasing the premium revenue; when in fact they may roll the dice and stay out of the plans until necessary.
7) cbo estimates excludes the increase in fed employees to manage this program
8) cbo also allows double counting of medicare savings, by saying the program will save money on medicare and at the same time reduces the cost of obamacare. These are 2 different programs 7 you can only save the money in one place


Tell me something, Hoops. What funding is in place for the 500 billion dollar prescription drug plan that you and the GOP are fighting tooth and nail to bring back into place? There was absolutely zero funding for it when it was passed.

Like most from your side of the aisle you nitpick at the funding measures of the new bill. I would love to nitpick at the funding measures for the plan you support we revert back to but I cant - because there aren't any.
I'm curious - What are property taxes like in Illinois?
A few stray facts:

  • States cannot declare bankruptcy.
  • Even after these increases, the overall Illinois tax burden will still in the bottom 15% of the county.
  • Good ol' conservative anti-union Texas is in much worse shape.
  • Nearby Indianna and Wisconsin have stronger economies and much higher personal income tax rates.
  • Including ALL state and local taxes, including sales tax, property tax, etc., poor people in IL averaged paying about 12% of their income in taxes. Middle class average was about 9%. Those making over $500,000 averaged 4.1%.

    Illinois ain't exactly soaking the rich, huh?
  • "Good ol' conservative anti-union Texas is in much worse shape." Says Forkush. Just what do you base that on? You really, honestly think Illinois is in better fiscal shape than Texas with it's 18 B surplus?
    What about California? Please tell me my state is in great shape too!
    And for cities, please explain yet another liberal microcosm...Detroit. There is nowhere on earth where your take from the rich give to the poor tax and spend "progressive" policies have ever worked. It's always, give them time. Or we need just more money and government control.
    1.3 trillion budget is totally on back room Demo shoulders as are the additional years of this recession and joblessness.

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