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pjstroh
pjstroh
Jun 22, 2011
12:01pm
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Originally posted by: hoops2

Nothing inconsistent here. It is another expensive social welfare program and it is unconstitutional for congress to mandate that people buy a product.


Your last sentence is an oxymoron. Thank you for proving my point.
hoops2
hoops2
Jun 22, 2011
11:29pm
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: hoops2

Nothing inconsistent here. It is another expensive social welfare program and it is unconstitutional for congress to mandate that people buy a product.


Your last sentence is an oxymoron. Thank you for proving my point.


No it is not. It is an expensive social program because the cuts in medicare are fantasy because it assumes cuts in scheduled doctor reimbursements that have been put off for years. It also assumes reduction in medicare/medicaid fraud which the govt has shown little interest in the past. It also adds people to state medicaid rolls that will increase state budgets.

At the same time it will require people to either join medicaid and if they are not eligible they then have to buy medical insurance. That requirement may be unconstitutional (commerce clause) since it mandates people to buy a product.

jphelan
jphelan
Jun 23, 2011
9:36am
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Originally posted by: Chilcoot
The Affordable Care Act is no one's vision of perfect health care reform. It was compromise legislation passed with the understanding that the perfect shouldn't be permitted to defeat the good, and that needed corrections would be identified, enacted, and implemented over time.

A responsible Congress will have no trouble remedying this problem before it costs Uncle Sam a dime when that aspect of the law kicks in two and a half years from now.


Compromise Legislation

Passed by a Democrat House and Senate with votes bought and sold (see NE, LA).

This is not Compromise Legislation, it is democrat legislation and it stinks and will bankrupt our nation if not repealed. I wonder if Nancy Pelosi has had a chance to read it yet.

Dan Svatass
Dan Svatass
Jun 23, 2011
1:45pm
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The Congressional Budget Office says that the Affordable Care Act will reduce the federal budget.

In addition to all the other positive changes (increase quality of and access to care, reduce administrative costs for small businesses and individuals, modernize health care delivery and payment), CBO has determined that ACA will save the federal budget $143 billion from 2010-2019 and between 0.25 percent and 0.5 percent of GDP (about $1.2 trillion) from 2020-2029.

But of course now will come assertions from functionally-illiterate posters to a Las Vegas website that the CBO doesn't know anything. Because their worldview doesn't hinge on facts.

hoops2
hoops2
Jun 23, 2011
10:52pm
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That CBO report is 2 years old and has largely been discredited. The CBO took assumptions supplied to them by the govt and made calculations based on those assumptions. If the assumptions are wrong then the estimate is wrong.

For example refer to the $450b mistake that was discovered this week
jphelan
jphelan
Jun 26, 2011
2:20am
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Originally posted by: Chilcoot
The Congressional Budget Office says that the Affordable Care Act will reduce the federal budget.

In addition to all the other positive changes (increase quality of and access to care, reduce administrative costs for small businesses and individuals, modernize health care delivery and payment), CBO has determined that ACA will save the federal budget $143 billion from 2010-2019 and between 0.25 percent and 0.5 percent of GDP (about $1.2 trillion) from 2020-2029.

But of course now will come assertions from functionally-illiterate posters to a Las Vegas website that the CBO doesn't know anything. Because their worldview doesn't hinge on facts.


Chill - Have you read this yet?

....Obamacare will likely add $4 to $6 trillion to the deficit over the next 20 years, and possibly more.

ForbesArtcileJune2011

I'm hoping for a change.
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