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jatki
jatki
Aug 9, 2011
7:58pm
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Something really interesting i found out today while at dialysis. I had a pretty lengthy discussion today with my nurse and long story short,almost evry single hispanic that was in there was illegal. None had insurance so guess whos paying the bill? Yep,medicare. If anyone is familiar with dialysis at all,it ain't cheap. Full price is a little less than 20k a month. I'm guessing in my clinic and about 45 on the bill,thats roughly 855,000 a month,thats over 10 mil a year. My clinic is a rather small one too.
Just an interesting FYI for anyone interested.

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szelisk
szelisk
Aug 9, 2011
11:38pm
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Originally posted by: EllenMonster
No Suzie, I agree with you. I am opposed to funding for Planned Parenthood.


Ellen, my mistake. I misread your post. Sorry.
pjstroh
pjstroh
Aug 10, 2011
12:11am
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Not one penny of taxpayer money goes towards funding abortions in this country. Not one.

Conversely, there are more than a few taxpayer pennies being used in states like Texas and now Indiana that force a woman to look at a sonogram before making her private decision to keep her baby or not.

After listening to faux outrage for over a year ragarding fictional government beaurocrats that come between patients and doctors under Obamacare (the key word there is fictional) neo-cons are now implementing the very thing they cried and cried and cried about - only their beaurocrats are not fictional.

Its just another hypcoritical contradiction that makes the tea-party completely non-credible in any kind of intelligent policy debate.
hoops2
hoops2
Aug 10, 2011
12:36am
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"After listening to faux outrage for over a year ragarding fictional government beaurocrats that come between patients and doctors under Obamacare (the key word there is fictional)"

A man was recently turned down by real govt beaurocrats for breast cancer treatment because they consider it a female disease

hoops2
hoops2
Aug 10, 2011
12:42am
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"Not one penny of taxpayer money goes towards funding abortions in this country. Not one."

Not true!

At present, the federal Medicaid program mandates abortion funding in cases of rape or incest, as well as when a pregnant woman's life is endangered by a physical disorder, illness, or injury.

Also; seventeen states fund abortions for low-income women on the same or similar terms as other pregnancy-related and general health services. Four of these states provide funding voluntarily (HI, MD, NY, and WA); in thirteen, courts interpreting their state constitutions have declared broad and independent protection for reproductive choice and have ordered nondiscriminatory public funding of abortion (AK, AZ, CA, CT, IL, MA, MN, MT, NJ, NM, OR, VT, and WV).
pjstroh
pjstroh
Aug 10, 2011
1:06am
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Originally posted by: hoops2
A man was recently turned down by real govt beaurocrats for breast cancer treatment because they consider it a female disease


FALSE. The government insurance program decides what procedures are covered under the insurance....as do private insurers. The government did not deny him his right to the procedure nor did they try to talk him out of it. That would be the difference. The government does not pay for breast implants either - and neither does your private insurance plan.

Explain how your criticisim of the government in this case is any different from your private insurer.


pjstroh
pjstroh
Aug 10, 2011
1:11am
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Originally posted by: hoops2
"Not one penny of taxpayer money goes towards funding abortions in this country. Not one."

Not true!

At present, the federal Medicaid program mandates abortion funding in cases of rape or incest, as well as when a pregnant woman's life is endangered by a physical disorder, illness, or injury.

Also; seventeen states fund abortions for low-income women on the same or similar terms as other pregnancy-related and general health services. Four of these states provide funding voluntarily (HI, MD, NY, and WA); in thirteen, courts interpreting their state constitutions have declared broad and independent protection for reproductive choice and have ordered nondiscriminatory public funding of abortion (AK, AZ, CA, CT, IL, MA, MN, MT, NJ, NM, OR, VT, and WV).



Yes, you are correct. My apologies. Medical emergencies involving the life of the parent and rape would be the exceptions. Feel free to vent if you have a problem with that poilicy - I'm sure the family of a rape victim would agree.
hoops2
hoops2
Aug 10, 2011
1:19am
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"Explain how your criticisim of the government in this case is any different from your private insurer. "

Proponents of the single payer system as well as it's offspring, obamacare have implied that people would not have to worry about being denied coverage
szelisk
szelisk
Aug 10, 2011
2:48am
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: hoops2
A man was recently turned down by real govt beaurocrats for breast cancer treatment because they consider it a female disease


FALSE. The government insurance program decides what procedures are covered under the insurance....as do private insurers. The government did not deny him his right to the procedure nor did they try to talk him out of it. That would be the difference. The government does not pay for breast implants either - and neither does your private insurance plan.

Explain how your criticisim of the government in this case is any different from your private insurer.


You are totally wrong!! If you have breast cancer and need a masectomay, breast reconstruction IS included within MOST insurance policy's.

Take a look, state medicaid DENIED chemo treatment for a man with breast cancer.Man denied treatment for breast cancer
pjstroh
pjstroh
Aug 10, 2011
3:16am
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Originally posted by: szelisk
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: hoops2
A man was recently turned down by real govt beaurocrats for breast cancer treatment because they consider it a female disease


FALSE. The government insurance program decides what procedures are covered under the insurance....as do private insurers. The government did not deny him his right to the procedure nor did they try to talk him out of it. That would be the difference. The government does not pay for breast implants either - and neither does your private insurance plan.

Explain how your criticisim of the government in this case is any different from your private insurer.


You are totally wrong!! If you have breast cancer and need a masectomay, breast reconstruction IS included within MOST insurance policy's.

Take a look, state medicaid DENIED chemo treatment for a man with breast cancer.Man denied treatment for breast cancer


Is that a fact? Is it included for men?

MEDICAID is the bare-bones insurance program for the poor. Are you upset it doesn't cover everything? Would you support a higher Medicare tax for it to cover more of the procedures like the one you mention? I do. I'm positive you dont.

Is your position that private insurers do not ever deny payment for certain procedures?
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