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alanleroy
alanleroy
Feb 15, 2011
1:39am
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Originally posted by: marcr
On 10 November 2010 Alan Simpson and Erskine Bowles released to the public a draft co-chairmen's report which had been sent to the other members of the National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility & Reform
https://www.fiscalcommission.gov/sites/fiscalcommission.gov/files/documents/CoChair_Draft.pdf

On 1 December 2010 the Commission issued to the public their report entitled "The Moment of Truth"
https://www.fiscalcommission.gov/sites/fiscalcommission.gov/files/documents/TheMomentofTruth12_1_2010.pdf

Please note both reports are from the Commissions official government website.

Seems was posting at same time as Alan Leroy, my apologies.


How dare you link to the Commission's official web site. How dare you reference a report that even though published with the 'White House' Logo, was 'failed' and not approved. No one should ever see or discuss this report. Where's your integrity?

MisterPicture
MisterPicture
Feb 15, 2011
12:58pm
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Originally posted by: forkush
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...That's why it seems like I'm the only one in the world who actually supports the bipartisan Simpson/Bowles debt reduction recommendations...

Trust me, my friend. You're not the only one in the world.

Sorry....but it seems like clcjim and I are are the only ones in the world who actually support the bipartisan Simpson/Bowles debt reduction recommendations.
Since the Simpson/Bowles commission failed, and never was able to release official recommendations, alanleroy is maintaining his usual record of erroneous statements.

Failed to gain a super majority of 14 of 18 members...
The commission NEVER held a final vote and NEVER issued a final report. So those who aspire to debate with more integrity than alanleroy - and who wouldn't? - should refrain from claiming that the commission endorsed anything whatsoever.


Perhaps Forkush needs reading lessons...There is a report. It was released by Alan Simpson (R) and Erskin Bowles (D) leaders of the Bipartisan Commission. I referred to it as "The bipartisan Simpson/Bowles debt reduction recommendations".

I support the recommendations of that report as did 11 of 18 committee members. Did I say "The commission endorsed or formally approved" anything? No. I said there was a released report and I support it. I'm willing to debate it. All fokush cares to do is bury it, label it 'failed' and accuse anyone who supports it of lacking itegrity. Well eat my grits.

So forkush attacks my 'integrity' accuses me of 'erroneous statements'. He would like to pretend that the report does not exist becuase it is not 'formally approved'. Actually it seems forkush and his ilk would prefer just to sling mud at those that truly look for bipartisan solutions.

If anyone's interested and wants to see if such a report really exists...click the below link. Then you'll see who lacks integrity.

Moment of Truth Report
Since the commission never voted to actually make these recommendations, and never in fact held any vote, it should be called the Two Guys From Washington report.

As to my opinion of the Two Guys From Washington recommendations, I disagree. While tax cuts for the wealthy increase our deficits and while the idiot war in Iraq increases our deficit, Social Security adds exactly zero to the deficit. And the current budget crisis is being fueled by the crash, which was caused by an unregulated bond market.

So I think the Two Guys From Washington recommendations are looking in the wrong places for the causes and cures.
alanleroy
alanleroy
Feb 15, 2011
7:36pm
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Originally posted by: forkush
Since the commission never voted to actually make these recommendations, and never in fact held any vote, it should be called the Two Guys From Washington report.


Oh really? What about the vote they had December 3 2010? Maybe we should call forkush the "one guy with no integrity" poster.

"A report was released on December 1, 2010, but failed a vote on December 3 with 11 of 18 votes in favor, with a supermajority of 14 votes needed to formally endorse the blueprint."

And it should be quite clear from forkush's comments that he has not read the report and is simply regurgitating some rhetoric from someone who claims to have read it.
MisterPicture
MisterPicture
Feb 15, 2011
11:27pm
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Originally posted by: alanleroy
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Originally posted by: forkush
Since the commission never voted to actually make these recommendations, and never in fact held any vote, it should be called the Two Guys From Washington report.


Oh really? What about the vote they had December 3 2010? Maybe we should call forkush the "one guy with no integrity" poster.

"A report was released on December 1, 2010, but failed a vote on December 3 with 11 of 18 votes in favor, with a supermajority of 14 votes needed to formally endorse the blueprint."...
Never happened. Wikipedia's source for that was a barely disguised editorial in the ultra right-wing Moonie Times. If there was an actual vote, it would be on the commission's website, detailing the votes of each commissioner. But it isn't there, is it?

So I'd be glad to debate the Two Guys recommendations - but let's just refer to them accurately from now on.

hoops2
hoops2
Feb 15, 2011
11:40pm
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Typical forky symantics which yields nothing.

The commission was doomed for failure when it required a supermajority to be considered approved.

There were a number of good recomendations, none of which made it's way into this year's thousand billion dollar defict even though the bama said when he was elected that he would go thru the budget line by line to take out wasteful spending
alanleroy
alanleroy
Feb 15, 2011
11:55pm
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Originally posted by: forkush

Never happened. Wikipedia's source for that was a barely disguised editorial in the ultra right-wing Moonie Times. If there was an actual vote, it would be on the commission's website, detailing the votes of each commissioner. But it isn't there, is it?



I can't tell if you're purposly lying about this vote or just too dimwitted to research it.

Washington Times--Debt Panel Fails Test Vote

Why I voted against the Simpson-Bowles plan

Deficit Plan-Vote-falls-short-of-desired-support: NPR
pjstroh
pjstroh
Feb 15, 2011
11:55pm
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The commission was doomed for failure when it required a supermajority to be considered approved.



The commission was originally a Republican idea that was to be comprised of a 50/50 ratio of each party serving in the current legislature. And as soon as the president endorsed it Hoops' GOP leadership changed their mind on a dime and abandoned the idea for political reasons.

Now they sit in the peanut gallery and critique the group they ran away from after originally proposing it. They criticize the ideas of others instead of offering up their own. No wonder Hoops likes them so much.

alanleroy
alanleroy
Feb 16, 2011
12:02am
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Originally posted by: hoops2


The commission was doomed for failure when it required a supermajority to be considered approved.



The commission was originally a Republican idea that was to be comprised of a 50/50 ratio of each party serving in the current legislature. And as soon as the president endorsed it Hoops' GOP leadership changed their mind on a dime and abandoned the idea for political reasons.

Now they sit in the peanut gallery and critique the group they ran away from after originally proposing it. They criticize the ideas of others instead of offering up their own. No wonder Hoops likes them so much.


Here's the 6 who killed it---Three Republicans, Three Democrats. Maybe that's how YOU define Bipartisanship...

"But all three House Republicans on the panel voted against the plan, as did liberal Democrats Schakowsky and Xavier Becerra of California. So did Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-MT)."

hoops2
hoops2
Feb 16, 2011
12:15am
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"And as soon as the president endorsed it"

Then why aren't the ideas in the budget?
pjstroh
pjstroh
Feb 16, 2011
12:16am
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Originally posted by: alanleroy
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: hoops2


The commission was doomed for failure when it required a supermajority to be considered approved.



The commission was originally a Republican idea that was to be comprised of a 50/50 ratio of each party serving in the current legislature. And as soon as the president endorsed it Hoops' GOP leadership changed their mind on a dime and abandoned the idea for political reasons.

Now they sit in the peanut gallery and critique the group they ran away from after originally proposing it. They criticize the ideas of others instead of offering up their own. No wonder Hoops likes them so much.


Here's the 6 who killed it---Three Republicans, Three Democrats. Maybe that's how YOU define Bipartisanship...

"But all three House Republicans on the panel voted against the plan, as did liberal Democrats Schakowsky and Xavier Becerra of California. So did Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-MT)."


Since the GOP abandoned the panel and left it on the lap of the president he had no obligation to seek input from any Republican sources whatsoever...and yet that is exactly what he did .... just like on the stimulous bill with all of its Republican proposed tax cuts.

You are right. That is not bi-partisanship. That is a bi-partisan effort offered up by one party and flagrantly rejected by the other.

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