Kitchen Sink (Misc) - Steve Wynn gets it (POL)

alanleroy

Jul 22, 2011
10:50pm

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
I'm really getting sick and tired of feeling sorry for the billionaire business tycoons who have it "oh so tough" in the current economy. There are legitimate victims of the housing crisis, the banking crisis, and the unemployment crisis. Steve Wynn isn't one of them.

I know...Let's just ignore what the business community is telling us is preventing economic growth. What could Steve Wynn know about economic conditions in Las Vegas anwyay?..pjstroh and David Mckee and chilcoot know more about that.

No...Let's just lump all businessmen into a basket with the evil wall street bankers so we don't have to address their concerns...Nah..better yet, let's take all of whiner Democrat Steve Wynn's money and give it to the 'legitimate victims'...that's the ticket.

Perhaps pj can explain why small business owners who are really struggling to survive are saying the same things Wynn is... I guess PJ will blame Bush or Fox News or Racism for that. PJ and David McKee and Chilcoot do a good job of demonizing Wynn. Is it because he has a lot of money and they feel like he has no right to speak his mind and complain when he has it so soft....He obviously perceives a serious issue.

If you get out and really talk to some small business owners maybe you'll understand there is a problem. They don't have the wealth of Steve Wynn...hell most of 'em aren't even Democrats...but they make the same kinds of statements as Wynn. EVEN IF IT'S A PROBLEM OF PECEPTION...It's serious and it's weighing us down. Who am I kidding....you'll soon be demonizing small business owners too....because they aren't 'legitimate' victims either.

pjstroh

Jul 23, 2011
12:24am

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I dont claim to know more about business than Steve Wynn - I just know how to read his own coorporate press release which is completely paradoxical to the comments he made about the president on the same day. YES - On the same EXACT day Wynn slams Obama about the horrible economy he immediately talks about how awesome his business is doing - including Las Vegas. One thing Steve didn't mention was how few jobs he created in the US with his extended Bush (now Obama) tax cuts as of November 2010.

You rest your case on Steve Wynn's ridiculous rant that contradicts his own corporate earnings announcement. I can anecdotally trump your Steve Wynn citation with my own anecdotal reference to Warren Buffet. BUT....I prefer to rest my case on the FACT that corporations are sitting on a record amount of cash they simply refuse to spend - to which the conservative answer is to give them even more cash to not spend.

pjstroh

Jul 23, 2011
1:18am

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Originally posted by: alanleroy
EVEN IF IT'S A PROBLEM OF PECEPTION....

Is that your summation of the problem? Because of it is perhaps you should look and see who is creating that perception. The UK just got a big clue.

tonystewartrules

Jul 23, 2011
3:11am

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Originally posted by: Chilcoot
I think David McKee did a great job today highlighting Steve Wynn's most recent ridiculous and infantile outburst, calling Wynn's newest whine "a hissy fit that would shame most toddlers".

Well put.

Well say what he wants the TRUTH hurts does it not.

Terry

tonystewartrules

Jul 23, 2011
3:16am

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Originally posted by: hoops2
President Obama has said, quite honestly I think, that he regrets his 2006 vote against raising the debt limit. His ability to change his mind and admit he was wrong about something is rightly viewed as a sign of his strength, not a weakness. - BOTH DECISIONS WERE VERY POLITICAL. DURING HIS GUEST APPEARANCE AS A US SENATOR IT APPEALED TO HIS BASE TO VOTE AGAINST THE DEBT LIMIT. NOW THAT HE IS PRESIDENT HE NEEDS TO RAISE IT SO HE NOW SAYS HE MADE A MISTAKE

Although Democrats were a majority in both the House and the Senate his first two years, they never truly had a working supermajority in the Senate. As we all know, it takes 60 votes in the Senate, not 51, to move legislation. Sen. Franken became the 60th senator in July 2009, but because one of those 60 is Sen. Lieberman, an independent who by and large opposed President Obama's agenda, this 60 was never a working supermajority for the President. Further, it fell back to 59 when Sen. Brown replaced Sen. Kennedy seven months later. - THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF HIS WEAKNESS AS A LEADER THAT HE COULD NOT CONVINCE ONE SENATOR. PRESIDENT REAGAN WAS ABLE TO GET A LOT DONE WITH A REPUBLICAN MINORITY CONGRESS

Unlike President Obama, who under constant political attack, - NOW THAT IS FUNNY. HE HAS THE NATIONAL BARACK CHANNEL, AMERICAN BARACK CHANNEL, CHANNEL of BARACK SUPPORTERS, AS WELL AS MORE SUPPORTERS of NATIONAL BARACK CHANNEL, THE WASHINGTON POST, LA TIMES, NY TIMES, THE HUFF AND PUFF POST ALL IN HIS POCKET.

It is truly amazing the things that he said and believed then (pre the ONE). Now totally different views. This term should go down as the worst 4 years in presidential history. This on so many levels.

Terry

hoops2

Jul 23, 2011
6:20am

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The goal of business is to maximize profit. They cannot maximize profit sitting on cash earning 1% interest. They are not investing the cash due to economic uncertainty brought about by obamanomics which has already been detailed

alanleroy

Jul 23, 2011
7:12am

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
- to which the conservative answer is to give them even more cash to not spend.

See, your whole perspective is that it's the government's money to give out. That's part of the problem right there.

alanleroy

Jul 23, 2011
7:13am

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Originally posted by: pjstroh

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Originally posted by: alanleroy
EVEN IF IT'S A PROBLEM OF PECEPTION....

Is that your summation of the problem? Because of it is perhaps you should look and see who is creating that perception. The UK just got a big clue.

Actually, I'm pointing out that it's still an issue even if it's one of Perception...hence the words 'even if'. That's not to say that Wynn and virtually every businessman I know aren't actually correct....I'm only pointing out that tossing aside Wynn's words as meaningless drivel is naive at best. What businessmen think matters....really.

Gee did it ever even occur to you that the anti-business perception of Obama might just be coming from his actions? Nevertheless I knew it would come down to George Bush, Fox News or Racism. That didn't take too long.

Say, wasn't that the very reason O brought Daley on board as chief of staff? Wasn't he supposed to smoothe over the ruffled feathers of corporate America and bring the American perception of the Obama Administration from the left back to the center? That just doesn't appear to be working...even among Democrat Tycoons.

pjstroh

Jul 23, 2011
8:17am

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Originally posted by: alanleroy

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
- to which the conservative answer is to give them even more cash to not spend.

See, your whole perspective is that it's the government's money to give out. That's part of the problem right there.

It most certainly is the right of the government to tax businesses who profit under the umbrella of the public's security, educated workforce, and infrastructure. And the government need not apologize for it.
Let Steve Wynn build his hotel in Haiti and see what his profits look like.

Your whole perspective is that businesses should utilize the advanced public services our country offers while not chipping in to pay for any of them.

pjstroh

Jul 23, 2011
8:26am

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Originally posted by: alanleroy

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: alanleroy
EVEN IF IT'S A PROBLEM OF PECEPTION....

Is that your summation of the problem? Because of it is perhaps you should look and see who is creating that perception. The UK just got a big clue.

Gee did it ever even occur to you that the anti-business perception of Obama might just be coming from his actions? Nevertheless I knew it would come down to George Bush, Fox News or Racism. That didn't take too long.

Say, wasn't that the very reason O brought Daley on board as chief of staff? Wasn't he supposed to soothe over the ruffled feathers of corporate America and bring the American perception of the Obama Administration from the left back to the center? That just doesn't appear to be working...even among Democrat Tycoons.

No, it didn't occur to me. I've never met a business man who made hiring decisions based upon his dispostion towards the president. And neither have you. And the only place you'll here that reasoning is on the FOX News channel and similar outlets. So when you repeat the nonsense you hear from those outlets you shouldn't be surprised when you are called out on it.

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