Kitchen Sink (Misc) - Steve Wynn gets it (POL)

Steve Wynn gets it (POL)

alanleroy

Jul 23, 2011
8:29am

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- to which the conservative answer is to give them even more cash to not spend.

See, your whole perspective is that it's the government's money to give out. That's part of the problem right there.

It most certainly is the right of the government to tax businesses who profit under the umbrella of the public's security, educated workforce, and infrastructure. And the government need not apologize for it.
Let Steve Wynn build his hotel in Haiti and see what his profits look like.

Your whole perspective is that businesses should utilize the advanced public services our country offers while not chipping in to pay for any of them.

PJ, it's money earned by business and legally taken by government..not money created by government and given to business. There's a difference between saying you're going to 'give them even more cash' and they are going to keep more of their earnings. It actually gets back to the core of Wynn's rant. You seem to think it's the Governments money and they allow Business to keep some.

alanleroy

Jul 23, 2011
8:36am

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And the only place you'll here that reasoning is on the FOX News channel and similar outlets. So when you repeat the nonsense you hear from those outlets you shouldn't be surprised when you are called out on it.

PJ I hear it every day from my customers. Every Day. So your argument is Steve Wynn is controlled by Fox News. My clients are controlled by Fox News. Fox News is the new boogie man.

alanleroy

Jul 23, 2011
8:42am

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No, it didn't occur to me. I've never met a business man who made hiring decisions based upon his dispostion towards the president. And neither have you. And the only place you'll here that reasoning is on the FOX News channel and similar outlets. So when you repeat the nonsense you hear from those outlets you shouldn't be surprised when you are called out on it.

Do you think they base hiring decisons on their perception of the Economy, The Business Environment? How about based on what they expect their costs to be? How about what they anticipate taxes to be? Why do you think Wynn spoke out? Why do you think so many other businessmen feel the same way? I know...It's Fox News!

So bottom line for PJ is Obama's doing a great job on the economy. No matter what the Business Community says.

Crap. I wasn't going to do political anymore...I couldn't resist.

pjstroh

Jul 23, 2011
8:52am

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No, it didn't occur to me. I've never met a business man who made hiring decisions based upon his dispostion towards the president. And neither have you. And the only place you'll here that reasoning is on the FOX News channel and similar outlets. So when you repeat the nonsense you hear from those outlets you shouldn't be surprised when you are called out on it.

Why did Steve Wynn speak out? You tell me me. His company is doing better than ever but he cries about the socialist thats in charge of the economy thats ruining his business?

Companies aren't hiring because they're afraid of tax policy? Isn't that exactly what the argument was at the midterm election? So then tax policy was extended...and you are still making that argument? Is there any length of time the Bush tax rates can be extended and not create jobs before you question their effectiveness?

alanleroy

Jul 23, 2011
9:00am

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Is there any length of time the Bush tax rates can be extended and not create jobs before you question their effectiveness?

That would be about the same amount of time we give a trillion dollars of pork to create jobs.
But come on PJ....you're not counting the number of jobs that tax cuts saved.

Wynn is saying it because he believes it....and like I said--so do the majority of business people that I deal with.. You want to blame Fox News for that. I think it's possible Wynn may just know what he's talkin' about.

pjstroh

Jul 23, 2011
10:54am

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Its a free country, Alan, and you and everyone else is entitled to their opinion. I have my own opinion about Mr Wynn's commentary:

There is only one group of people in this country who have not been asked to sacrifice one penny or one drop of sweat throughout the reconstruction of our economy since 2008 - and its the same group Mr Wynn caters to in his hotels. I'm sure the prospect of his wealthy client base being asked to participate in the same austerity measures as the people who clean his toilets frightens the bejesus out of him. Personally, I dont lose much sleep over it.

hoops2

Jul 23, 2011
9:29pm

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The problem with the govt isn't a lack of revenue but out of control spending. Spending is up 40% since 2007 way above the inflation rate & we have nothing to show for it. People are concerned that any increase in taxes will not decrease spending but encourage even more spending

tonystewartrules

Jul 23, 2011
11:20pm

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EVEN IF IT'S A PROBLEM OF PECEPTION....

Is that your summation of the problem? Because of it is perhaps you should look and see who is creating that perception. The UK just got a big clue.

Gee did it ever even occur to you that the anti-business perception of Obama might just be coming from his actions? Nevertheless I knew it would come down to George Bush, Fox News or Racism. That didn't take too long.

Say, wasn't that the very reason O brought Daley on board as chief of staff? Wasn't he supposed to soothe over the ruffled feathers of corporate America and bring the American perception of the Obama Administration from the left back to the center? That just doesn't appear to be working...even among Democrat Tycoons.

No, it didn't occur to me. I've never met a business man who made hiring decisions based upon his dispostion towards the president. And neither have you. And the only place you'll here that reasoning is on the FOX News channel and similar outlets. So when you repeat the nonsense you hear from those outlets you shouldn't be surprised when you are called out on it.

For the leftist view there is always Chris Mattews, Rachal Maddow, Bill Maher and their fellow cronies. There is where the fair reporting comes from huh.

Terry

tonystewartrules

Jul 23, 2011
11:30pm

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The problem with the govt isn't a lack of revenue but out of control spending. Spending is up 40% since 2007 way above the inflation rate & we have nothing to show for it. People are concerned that any increase in taxes will not decrease spending but encourage even more spending

I am so worried about this spending binge they have been on. And most informed people are finally starting to get. We borrow more than 100 billion a year. And clueless in chief has no plan. Well now he acts like he has one so let's see it. If we ran our household like they do I would be looking for a nice shopping cart to haul my possessions.

But still everyone in DC gets some of the blame. Now you can see the posturing starting for 2012.

Terry

MaddyHLVA

Jul 24, 2011
1:22am

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Flip Flip Flip Mr.O

1-Bush Tax Cuts

2- Obama Care

3-Stopping the Iraq war

4-Stopping the Afgan war

5-Closing Gitmo

6-Not raising the debt limit.

7-Military action in Libya without seeking Congressional authorisation

8-Bringing back military tribunals for terror suspects

9-Continuing renditions of terror suspects

Couple quick thoughts:

President Obama has said, quite honestly I think, that he regrets his 2006 vote against raising the debt limit. His ability to change his mind and admit he was wrong about something is rightly viewed as a sign of his strength, not a weakness.

Chilcoot... You win the post of the year hands down.. You see Obama's flip flopping as a strength, most

see it as a person who in no way ready to the lead the greatest nation on earth.

Hope and Change... Change is all that is going to be left..

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