Why are banks and the government to blame ...

Oh I agree PJ but the topic is personal responsibility in this mess.
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Originally posted by: marcr
Ken;


Time and time again the old saw has been and remains that a home is NOT an investment but a place to live.


So true.

How nice to see a discussion without politics (demo or repub) being discussed by both sides.

Bottom line is the people running Freddie Mac and Fanny Mae really let their guards down. Gave.
loans to millions of people who were no where near qualified

Agree with Ken. Personal responsiblity appears to be a thing of the past.

Couple weeks now Ken, in Stanford, Ca.
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Originally posted by: jpenick
How nice to see a discussion without politics (demo or repub) being discussed by both sides.

Bottom line is the people running Freddie Mac and Fanny Mae really let their guards down. Gave.
loans to millions of people who were no where near qualified

Agree with Ken. Personal responsiblity appears to be a thing of the past.

Couple weeks now Ken, in Stanford, Ca.


Actually fannie/freddie don't originate the loans but buy up the mortgages the banks were issuing with the the implication that they would guarantee the loans, which encouraged the behavior of providing risky mortgages.

I believe that fannie/freddie have over $1t in underperforming mortgages that the govt is not acknowledging. If the federal govt followed normal accounting rules the jails would be filled with congresspeople and other fed officials for fraud


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Originally posted by: BobOrme
I might be the only one in this discussion who has actually lost a home to foreclosure. I didn't "walk away". I got tossed out July 2010. Literally. After the deed was bought at auction, it took me a little time to find a new (much smaller) place to live. I ran out of time and space to move all of my stuff, so the local sheriff emptied the remaining contents (that his crew thought had value) from my home onto the front yard, gave me about 20 minutes to go through the property to find other stuff that had personal value that they left, locked me out, then told me I had 24 hours to take anything else I wanted to keep from the front yard. My neighbors and anyone driving by also could freely take anything they wanted from my front yard when I wasn't there. That was the most traumatic experience I've ever gone through. More than a year later, daily I still remember stuff that was piled in the yard that I'd still like to have, as well as stuff that I was locked out from retrieving after the sheriff's crew went through the building.

From 2009-2010, my personal income dropped by more than 50%, and I could no longer afford the mortgage payments on the home I had lived in for 22 years. I don't blame the bank, even though I had paid them more than the original loan. They aren't in business to break even or make tiny profits over a long period of time. I can only blame the economy, something over which I have absolutely no control.


Bob, my question would be "how much could have been left on the loan"?? With 22 years of equity built up you should have been able to either re-financed or gone to another bank and did this. Now, if you had taken out various "second home mortgage loans" that would be a different cat.
Can hardly believe that a bank would foreclose on someone that had been making his payment on time and had been in the property for 22 years.
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Originally posted by: tonyrob
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Originally posted by: BobOrme
I might be the only one in this discussion who has actually lost a home to foreclosure. I didn't "walk away". I got tossed out July 2010. Literally. After the deed was bought at auction, it took me a little time to find a new (much smaller) place to live. I ran out of time and space to move all of my stuff, so the local sheriff emptied the remaining contents (that his crew thought had value) from my home onto the front yard, gave me about 20 minutes to go through the property to find other stuff that had personal value that they left, locked me out, then told me I had 24 hours to take anything else I wanted to keep from the front yard. My neighbors and anyone driving by also could freely take anything they wanted from my front yard when I wasn't there. That was the most traumatic experience I've ever gone through. More than a year later, daily I still remember stuff that was piled in the yard that I'd still like to have, as well as stuff that I was locked out from retrieving after the sheriff's crew went through the building.

From 2009-2010, my personal income dropped by more than 50%, and I could no longer afford the mortgage payments on the home I had lived in for 22 years. I don't blame the bank, even though I had paid them more than the original loan. They aren't in business to break even or make tiny profits over a long period of time. I can only blame the economy, something over which I have absolutely no control.


This story demonstrates why I had a problem with the original statement.
Very sorry to hear your story Bob. So many people in similar situations - who didn't deserve it.
And of course, some who did.

Tonyrob


I'm not seeing Bob doing anything asinine so by definition he wasn't included.

@Penick: Jeff, I was up on The Farm yesterday. What a beat down on the Dawgs. Great adjustments but that first half was kinda ugly.

Heavens, what a genteel group of football fans up there! lol

11/12, baby!!!
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Originally posted by: tonyrob
Some did - some didn't. Banks offering ridiculous no deposit long-term ballooning loans to people who saw that as the only way to ownership are to blame for their own greed. They are now reaping what they sowed.

Tonyrob


Tony, I believe the govt (Barney and Dodd) were the ones PUSHING for people who couldn't afford the home to buy it.
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