The 2028 DemocRAT Ticket - Word Salad on Steroids

Well, aside from Millerpig's craving to pitch insults, there's no earthly reason for anyone to say or think that that will be who runs. One, defeated candidates generally don't run again (the Turd notwithstanding); two, even the Democrats now realize that a WOOMUN has no chance of being elected President. Both Clinton and Harris would have won easily if they were male.

I think the Dems should go with someone like Andy Beshear. 

I predict the party establishment will push Newsome. In my opinion that would be a poor choice. 

No "e": Newsom.

If Newsom becomes the candidate, we'll hear endless barfing from MAGA about the California coastal liberal elite babble babble babble. California-bashing has been a MAGA obsession ever since Trump got a couple of his scam projects there killed off.

It can't be ignored, though, that fundraising with Newsom as the candidate would be easier than with almost anyone else. Balancing that consideration is no home state bonus, as CA will go for the Democrat candidate no matter who they are. Beshear might bring along a state that the Dems would otherwise have no chance of winning.

I really am worried that the Republipigs will find some way to massively fuck with both the midterms and the 2028 elections. It's not at all far-fetched to imagine Trump declaring a Democrat victory "invalid" and "fraudulent." After all, he's said that any elections Democrats win, they must have been cheating.

I like Beshear but I think he isn't the right candidate as it is a fallacy to conclude what America craves is a centrist approach and a return to the same old same old.

That will not turn young voters or the democratic base out to vote. I attribute a lot of Trump's electoral success to the fact that, even though they were lies, he is willing to say things a moderate Democrats won't such as I will lower prices or I will do this or that. 

The traditional Democratic approach has always been, even when in control

of all three branches, well let's see that issue is really tough. Because of lobbying and so on the best we can hope for is some small changes around the edges.  I can't even promise that given the current environment but I will make an effort.

People are tired of that kind of BS.  Things aren't going well for them and they weren't going well for them prior to Covid. They believe there is a real need to reign in corporate America and the Oligarchy. That we need real changes to our healthcare system, to our taxation system and to our legal system. That home ownership , a new vehicle and so on should be in the reach of people with a full time job. 

If all the Democrats offer is a return to the status quo before Trump that might win them the 28 Presidential but you can count on a big 30 mid-term loss as well as a likely 32 Presidential defeat.

The specific problem with Beshear is that he is a centrist and that's a big ask for the base of the Democratic Party because we know that the current Republican Party is so far to the right it is a fascist party.

The centerist approach will

mean every problem that requires negotiation with the other party will result in best case a center-right outcome.

Regardless of how good a person Beshear is I won't carry water for a centrist approach that results in center right governance. I would likely opt not to vote if he is the candidate as a conservative "lite" Democratic Party is not for me. 

Speaking of affordability LA  and VA are increasing the sales tax, NY and chicago are increasing property taxes.

Current inflation is almost half (and below the historical average) of the biden's gang 4 year average.

I note we are still in Ukraine which again Trump promised he would end in a day

The problem with Ukraine is that putin doesn't want to end the war. We have a peace although shaky in Gaza.  Can't end a war when 1 party wants to keep fighting

He wrecked Iran's nuclear weapons program and arrested a drug dealer and Venezuela will finally have elections.

Censorship - Trump is engaging in a major government censorship campaign on both the public airwaves, the Internet and public libraries

UH?  The fact that you can write the above proves the above statement is false.

There is no evidence to the pedo and claims.  Keep pushing it though

While Beshear may not exite a portion of the party base I still feel he's a strategically sound choice. Especially if The Trump era continues its hold on the GOP.

I personally predict that whoever Trump endorses in 2028 will actually lose the primaries but if I were the Democrat party I would be operating on the assumption that Trump will continue his hold on the GOP and his candidate will win the primary. 

If that happens then I think it is safe to say that any states that were blue in 2024 will stay blue  regardless of who the DNC candidate ends up being. 

It is also safe to say that Texas and Florida will likely remain red. 

With this in mind the best chance for the Democrats is to focus on flipping states like North Carolina, Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin Arizona, Nevada, Ohio. 

Beshear has consistently won elections in Kentucky. Proving he can gain ground in red states. 

I think the best chance the Democrats will have is to target voters in swing states that regret voting for Trump. 

Well, then, the best strategy would be to target those swing states that Trump has fucked over the most. States with manufacturing and farming job losses, states that have been most affected by Turdiffs, states that have been impacted most by ICE thuggery. 

The only trouble is, Trump has concentrated his fascist shit on states that already hate his guts. So it might be hard to identify exactly which states have soured on the Turd but LUVVVVED him before.

You imply that Beshear would have red state influence beyond Kentucky. Just flipping Kentucky would be a major accomplishment for the Dems. Do you think he might carry any other red states? That would be huge.

I certainly see Newsom as the frontrunner, but I can't imagine any drooling red state goobers voting for him. The Dems can't win with just the safe blue states.

Aw, hell. Let's just march on D.C. with a couple million people and at least that many guns. Trump isn't going to allow a fair election anyway. Let's just get rid of him.

NW, I disagree. The only reason Beshear won his first term was because the prior incumbent Republican governor was so awful. He never would have gotten the chance to prove himself otherwise. And I seriously doubt he could carry his home state in a Presidential election. 

As far as trying to target voters in swing states with a conservative lite approach, that was Hillary's, Joe's and Harris' approach. How did that work out for us?

If you depress the Democratic base with a candidate like this there is very little chance of winning Nevada, Arizona, Michigan and Wisconsin where we need both the swing voters and a huge turnout from the Democratic base.

Because of Trump, this election offers Democrats a chance to put in someone that is aligned with the Democratic base rather than the party machinery that is more worried about fund raising in corporate America. 

I'd listen to what Bashear has to say but if he is the nominee and goes with the right-leaning moderate approach I will be sitting that election out. 

The CBO today just said SS is going to run dry in 2032.   Thats seven years from now and earlier than previously scheduled.    Tom and his leadership keep telling the pubic they can reconcile their trillion dollar  tax cuts for the wealthiest people by  killing a couple billion worth of spending.  Never mind that math doesnt work - they dont even do what they said.  They increase spending.

THat was W Bush's legacy and he did two massive tax cuts on that bullshit.   And that was Trump's creedo too for both his terms with tax cuts  and increased spending .    Thats what happens when you let people who cant do math run the country.   The only compliment you can give Bush is the fact he was honest about them going to the wealthiest people whereas Trump lied.

Tom cries about tax increases but tax increases are honest and they pay for spending.    Tax decreases dont.  Even after the complete disaster of DOGE and its proof of MAGA's inability to do basic arithmetic doesnt disuade Tom from making the same refuted argument he's been making for his entire adult life.     You cant pay for increased spending  with tax cuts.

Both Republicans and Democrats spend money.   Only one party is honest about paying for it.    The other one lies and Tom and his ilk vote for them EVERY SINGLE TIME.

leadership keep telling the pubic they can reconcile their trillion dollar tax cuts for the wealthiest people by killing a couple billion worth of spending

That has nothing to do with the SS fund

Every time DOGE tried to cut a couple of billion dollars the democrats would run and start crying and singing that the Republic was about to collapse.

The shutdowns occur when the Republicans try to cut spending and the democrats scream the world is ending

The problem isn't revenue as spending increases faster than the revenue growth.

Give a democrat a $1 and they will spend $1.25

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